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dave1517

Stopping vehicles by PCSO's?????

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Hi everyone, Please help to confirm Do PCSO's have the power to stop Vehicles??? for what it is worth I don't think they do!

 

The reason I ask, the other night while on patrol in the distance I saw blue lights and Hi/Lo flashing in the distance facing me in my lane, as I hadn't heard anything on the radio, I was driving that way anyhow, I though I would help out a colleague, on arrival I was gob smacked to see 2 CSO's that had stopped a motorbike due to manner of driving in a marked police vehicle. After words of advice from my colleague I drove off, then thought What was that all about!! Their positioning on the road meant that they were facing the bike and must have croosed over onto oncoming traffic to stop him!!! I know they are not trained in fend off's so what the hell is going on!!!!

 

Please confirm what the the law says about it (ie Police Reform Act )

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The powers of PCSOs are set out in Part 1 of Schedule 4 to the PRA.




PCSOs must be on duty and wearing the correct uniform to exercise their
powers. With the exception of the power of directing traffic to escort
abnormal loads, PCSO powers can only be exercised in the force area of
the designating Chief Officer.



Issue Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for offences of disorder

Detain for up to 30 minutes suspects who fail to give details

Use reasonable force to detain as at 2

Impose requirements and dispose of alcohol consumed in designated public places

Enter any premises to save life and limb or prevent serious damage to property

Carry out PACE road checks and stop vehicles to do so

Stop and search vehicles & belongings in areas authorised under the Terrorism Act 2000.

Seize vehicles used to cause alarm etc.

Issue Fixed Penalty Notices for offences of cycling on footways, dog fouling, litter

Require name and address from suspects

Require name and address from person acting in anti-social manner

Confiscate and dispose of alcohol from young persons

Seize and dispose of tobacco from young persons

Authorise removal of abandoned vehicles

Stop vehicles for testing

Make traffic directions for abnormal vehicles.

Could it be that the bike was already stopped and they have just gone to speak to the driver?

Benefit of the doubt maybe?

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You need to be telling their supervision then, before they get themselves neck deep in the brown and smelly stuff.

You also need to do a pocket book entry, show it to the supervisor you speak to and get them to sign it. That absolves you of any responsibility should they go and do it again.

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Stan...already documented.......I had a hunch that's not in their remit.....trouble is they patrol with little supervision, no one their to keep an eye, they just go out and do their bit!!!

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Stan...already documented.......I had a hunch that's not in their remit.....trouble is they patrol with little supervision' date=' no one their to keep an eye, they just go out and do their bit!!![/quote']

Good - you've done your bit.

Not good - lack of supervision. Who is going to take responsibility when these people screw up royally?

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Worst thing as far as I'm concerned are 15 & 16

 

15. Testing of Vehicles.   I assume a Sec 69 Road Traffic Act Power. Which part of the PCSO Foundation course includes a Traffic patrol Officers Input and training on Vehicle defects in relation to Steering, Brakes, Lights, Exhausts etc ??

 

16. Make Traffic Directions for Abloads ??   My god that will cost a small fortune if they send one down the wrong route ???  Low Bridge/Phone wires/ hump back bridge. 

 

Who actually thought up these jobs for them ??

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Para 11B of Schedule 4 to the Police Reform Act 2002:

 

11B(1) Where a designation applies this paragraph to any person, that person shall have, in the relevant police area:-

(a) the power of a constable engaged in the regulation of traffic in a road to direct a person driving or propelling a vehicle to stop the vehicle or to make it proceed in, or keep to, a particular line of traffic;
(B) the power of a constable in uniform engaged in the regulation of vehicular traffic in a road to direct a person on foot to stop proceeding along or across the carriageway.

Seems daft to me! What they going to do once it's stopped? Have they had the correct driver training and permit to do so?

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This was always going to be open to abuse and not dissimilar from HATO's stopping vehicles.

If you gave a member of the public a vehicle fitted with blue lights after a while the temptation would be far to great to resist.

Don't allow PCSO's to drive or give them vehicles without blue lights, this should help somewhat.

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This was always going to be open to abuse and not dissimilar from HATO's stopping vehicles.

If you gave a member of the public a vehicle fitted with blue lights after a while the temptation would be far to great to resist.

Don't allow PCSO's to drive or give them vehicles without blue lights, this should help somewhat.

ClapClapClapClap, In our force they have "sponsored vehicles"by the local authorities, just a plain vehicle and quite rightly no lights, but sometimes thats sat in the car park and the community police vehicle is out instead........It always annoys me that their main role is to engage with the local community...how do you do that patrolling in a vehicle behind glass??????  Footbeat should be enforced by the community sgt, then this problem wouldn't exist.....One day its all going to go Pete Tong, I just hope the next vehicle they pull over is an off duty Police OfficerAngry

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Our PCSO has a Smart Car with the Crime Stoppers number in bright green on it. It's great, though a bit short of boot space at times. It stands out, gives the visible presence, and is very necessary for a rural beat.

 

I have to say PCSOs seem to come in variable quality. Ours is superb, but leaving. I pray we don't get someone like  the Wash Box Hero. Please nooooo.
M&MBM2007-07-22 10:30:09

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Our CSOs have an identical vehicle to beat cars just with "COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICER" on the bonnet instead of "POLICE". Blues, twos and all. Apparently this is so officers can use it on nights (when no CSOs are on) and so CSOs can escort abnormal loads. Never seen that happen! Scene guard at RTCs? Well, they shouldn't be the only vehicle at an RTC.

 

Asking for trouble. Anyway, the powers are those of a constable under s. 35 RTA 88. Can it really be said that a CSO driving about in a car is "engaged in the regulation of traffic"? It's not a 163 power so I'd argue they can't do vehicle stops whilst mobile.

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Where I work PCSO's aren't allowed to drive marked vehicles, which stops most of them pulling cars over.  Although there is talk of getting big magnets to stick on marked vehicles that point out that it's a PCSO driving.

Shockingly bad idea.  How long do they think these magnets will last.

 

Plus, we barely have enough vehicles for the PC's.  In fact, most of the PCs' don't have the correct driving courses for their role either.  My station has three cars, at least one of which is constantly T6'd, but that doesn't matter as we only have one respons driver on my shift.  And we're an NST.  That's another story.

 

I have seen PCSOs' pull cars over when they're on footpatrol, It just comes dow nto the fact that some of tehm think they're police...

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Shockingly bad idea.  How long do they think these magnets will last.

 

 

 

They will become even more collectible that car badges. They will become like scalps for every young scrote to grab.

 

OMG, even I'd be tempted for the laugh.... Evil%20Smile
M&MBM2007-07-23 07:51:43

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I have seen PCSOs' pull cars over when they're on footpatrol, It just comes dow nto the fact that some of tehm think they're police...
Jimmy, Can they do that....Do they have the power to do that??

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