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almostthere

Ashya King - Damned if we do....

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Damned if we don't.

 

And so the merry go round continues with headline story that Police in Hampshire refuse to back down over their actions to trace this young boy and his family.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29003431

 

Having read the background story of why they took the child away, it makes some sense - NHS refusing treatment - they are of course on the bones due to cutbacks and have to make decisions re financing such treatment vs probable outcome. As a parent with the wherewithal to take up such treatment I think this family on the face of it have made a difficult choice.

 

Of course the reporting of the taking of the child was quite alarming - the outcome? Blame the Police.

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If they were seeking alternative treatment in the Czech Republic, what were they doing in Malaga and why did they not arrange it through the proper channels as I understand plenty of other people have? I'm pretty sure you can't just turn up in another country and demand expensive and specialised treatment in any case.

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Having been dipping into the news on this over the past couple of days one thing is clear to me the police should be ashamed of abducting this child from hospital where he was receiving treatment and taking him to Spain and the to top it all arresting his mum and dad 

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What the grandmother is claiming is just pure rhetoric trying to justify their families actions. They know they should not have removed the lad from care and are backtracking to lessen the impact this may have on their lifestyle. It must have been planned for a while because you cannot usually just drive up to a ferry terminal and jump on board the ship.

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It must have been planned for a while because you cannot usually just drive up to a ferry terminal and jump on board the ship.

You can actually. There is no requirement to book in advance, but not booking means you may have to wait for a space.

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Looking at the news there appears to have been preparatory acts made before they left with equipment and food apparently purchased prior to departure. It appears on the face of it not an ad hoc/random decision. It seems the family had property in Malaga which is where they travelled to. It is a strange one which we will not learn the full story for a while - I feel it is a heartstring tugging story - removal of parents and family with no family visits allowed for the child, am not so sure as I only see what is reported.

 

Of course if Ashya dies!!

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The family were apparently in Malaga so that the parents could sign the sale papers for their holiday home and use the proceeds to fund the proton beam treatment for Ashya.

 

The child was in hospital but there was apparently no court order preventing the parents removing him as that is their right (as it is the right of anyone to refuse medical treatment or discharge themselves from hospital - whether it be wise or not). So the actions taken by Hampshire Constabulary do seem over-the-top. However, we cannot tell what information they were given by the NHS in Southampton. The acquisition of the necessary equipment and food may well have been done so that it would be available if Ashya was to be sent home (very likely if the hospital continued to say they could do no more - a sub-text to which would almost certainly be "and we do not want to spend any further funds on this hopeless case).

 

Frankly, if one of my boys were in Ashya's situation, knowing what I do about the NHS, ie it is no longer a "national" health service but treatment is at the pleasure of the local health authorities, I would take him wherever I felt he could have treatment that would make him well or, at least, prolong his life if this could be spent in a quality way.

 

The hospital should be condemned and the Police, well, they acted as agents for a state entity that may well, because of medical arrogance, have misrepresented the situation. All I really know is that by removing the boy from his parents, the Spanish authorities have done the family a grave dis-service and may well have worsened the boy's condition. I would like the UK doctors concerned to be identified and let them justify in detail why they provoked such a severe response. I'll be interested to see who the actual doctors are! 

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The Police acted on the information they were given by the hospital; that the bioys feeding system would shut down in a matter of hours and the boy would die.  From what has since transpired that appears to be far from the truth.  Now you have the situation of the parents being in Spanish custody, the boy being in a Spanish hospityal and the remaining 5 children of the family being in Malaga being cared for by the eldest son.

 

Strange how the Hospital and Social services can over react in cases like this and yet in cases like the recent Rotherham cases they fail miserably but in the other direction.  

 

And , as the thread says, we take the blame again. Had I being still serving and had been given the information by the Hospital I would have taken the same action. However, having been now appraised of the correct circumstances I would have withdrawn the European arrest warrant.  It appears that the boy has very little chance of recovery but the Proton treatment sought by the parents at least gives him some hope of a recovery.

 

On the facts as known so far it would appear that the NHS in Hampshire have pressed the panic button with dubious information. :angry:

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I still can't see how the child was better off in Spain than under the care of his doctors. Suppose he had had some kind of episode which required immediate attention? He didn't need to be taken out of the country for the parents to sell their holiday home and make arrangements for treatment abroad. If the appropriate arrangements had been made first, no-one would have had the right to stop the parents taking the child. As OAH says, one would do anything for one's sick child, but how can removing that child from hospital while effectively attached to a life-support machine be in his best interests?

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They should be left to get on with their lives and should be released immediately . The child is with his parents who are looking after him . The Police should not have got involved  . Disgraceful . 

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Pigman, I'm not sure whether you're being serious or not now. Surely the best people to look after a patient who has recently been treated for a brain tumour are medical professionals?

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There was nothing more they could do for him , they are trying to get the Proton treatment for him !

 

The NHS will not pay for it , they are trying to get him better where the NHS are not .

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There was nothing more they could do for him , they are trying to get the Proton treatment for him !

 

The NHS will not pay for it , they are trying to get him better where the NHS are not .

 

That I don't think is the crux of the matter where removing a child from hospital in order to get 'better treatment'

In who's eyes is it better treatment, the doctor's who were dealing with him or the parents who will have little or no medical training.  By taking him out of an environment where he was receiving treatment of whatever level puts the child at risk of infection by carrying him in a non sterile environment.

 

I am sure if they had put it to the doctors that they were going to sell their property in Spain to pay for treatment elsewhere, anywhere wherever they would have assisted but there seems to have been no need to take him out of hospital without going through the proper chanels. After all it is not uncommon for patients to go elsewhere in the world to get treatment if they pay for it. I think it is a matter of the heart ruling the mind here and thinking they may know best.

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More disease and germs spread in Hospitals than every other public building !

 

The child is theirs and they choose his medical care , its the fact that the NHS would not provide the treatment thats the real issue , they have given it to 99 children at a cost of £100k , why not this one ? If the parents are willing to get the treatment elsewhere at their expense who are we to judge the way that they do it ? They refuse to go back to the UK and have committed no crime but they are still  locked up away from their seriously ill child in a Spanish jail !

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We as mere members of the public do not know what went on - at the end of the day - we can only comment emotionally. By reported accounts no offences have been committed - a child is left seriously ill in hospital with no family contact.

 

No winners in this story

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