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Techie1 posted a topic in Police Oracle FeaturesPension schemes also at risk from incoming reforms to police recruitment, it is feared. Joan Donnelly from the Police Federation says she finds it 'shocking' that chiefs do not yet know what apprentices will be paid Chiefs have been criticised for not having decided what apprentices are going to be paid a year before the introduction of the new route into the job. Forces have already had an effective per cent budget cut as they are now paying 0.5 per cent of the cost of their total salaries towards the government’s apprenticeship levy. The College of Policing and NPCC have previously said that they want policing apprenticeships to be up and running in 2018. The reform is one of a myriad being planned by senior officers, including making having a degree a requirement for non-apprentices, and making most existing allowances part of pay. Proposals drawn up so far suggest that apprentices could be paid 20 per cent less than current probationer constables. Joan Donnelly, a researcher for the Police Federation of England and Wales, calculates that the average officer currently has a disposable income - after housing and bills are taken into account - of about £35 a month, and that the average starting age of an officer is 28. “We are concerned that an unintended consequence of reducing apprentices' wages so much is that policing will become a profession for 18-year-olds and no one else. “The unintended consequence will be on how policing is seen – a lack of life experience and a big change to the culture of policing,” she said. Mike Brown, also from the Fed, warned that the result could be further changes to existing and future pensions too. “There is a danger that less people will join police pension scheme, making it less sustainable. “And I don’t think anyone wants to see further changes in the police pension scheme,” he said. Chief Constable Francis Habgood, NPCC lead for pay issues, told the discussion which took place at the Police Federation Conference that the current police regulations make it difficult to design a new pay level for apprenticeships. He said: “Please don’t go out and think this is about a 20 per cent reduction, because that is something that was an option. “We do need to make sure that this is an attractive offer for everyone at any stage of their lives because that life experience is fantastic.” He added: “One of the things we do need to think about is […] in the future we’re going to have police officers coming in who have a degree and probably £50,000 plus of debt, or we’re going to have people coming in as an apprentice who will have zero debt because everything will be paid for and they will earn. “I don’t know what the right answer is […]. I think we need to look at what the market is doing in other sectors on high level apprenticeships.” But Ms Donnelly said: “I find it really shocking that you’re saying you don’t know what the pay will be for apprentices yet, and your saying you don’t know whether it will be a 20 per cent reduction – because this is going to be introduced, you’ve said it’s going to get lots of bright new talent in, but you don’t know what the offer is. These things are fundamental.” View on Police Oracle
Techie1 posted a topic in Police Oracle FeaturesChairman of the Scottish Police Federation described the payments a "significant issue" for members The Scottish Police Federation is challenging Police Scotland over special payments to armed officers who protect the royal family on holiday. Police Scotland stopped enhanced payments to officers for the previous two summers for protecting Her Majesty The Queen and the Royals while they holidayed in the Highlands. In the past the force made the payments due to officers being far away from friends and family and remained “on call”. However, the “held in reserve” payments have been ditched as Police Scotland attempts to close a £190 million funding gap by 2021, according to the Sunday Post. The situation has resulted in an officer, backed by the fed, initiating a judicial review of the decision at the highest civil court in Scotland, the Court of Session. The officer bringing the case is one of many who provide protection for the Royals costing an estimated £100 million per year. Prior to the unification of Scottish forces providing protection for the Royals was the responsibility of the eight regional forces dependent on where the Windsors were. This meant officers were able to return home after being on duty and, as such, did not qualify for the payments. Police Scotland argue the officers based at Balmoral do not qualify for the payments despite them being enshrined in rules by the Police Negotiating Board. A decision on the matter is expected in the next few weeks and general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation Calum Steele says they had “little option” but to pursue the matter legally. He said: “This is a significant issue for our officers. “The force has changed its approach to the reimbursement of officers and we are challenging it. “We have tried to resolve this long before the Court of Sessions action but feel little option but to go down the legal route.” A spokesman for Police Scotland said: “We will not comment on this as it involves an active legal case.” View on Police Oracle
Plodder82 posted a topic in General Police DiscussionI'm looking for a definitive answer here please excuse if there is already a thread already on this. As we all know Police pay increments have been frozen since April 2012 and are due to cease in April 2014. At the point of the freeze commencing I was on pay point 8 my understanding is this we will all retain the same pay increment dates however you will remain on the same pay point you were on till your next increment date ie if you are on pay point 4 before the freeze you will be on pay point four after the freeze until your next increment date and that will correspond to the new pay scale which only has 7 pay points my question is this Will I automatically move to pay point 7 on the new pay scale when the pay freeze ends therefore being on full PC wage? My next increment date after the pay freeze ending is November 2014 at which point I will have 11 years service so which ever way I look at I should be at the top of the pay scale whether it be the new or old pay scale? Can anyone please help with this? Thanks in advance.
Ok we have a number of threads arguing amongst ourselves, expressing dismay and disgust with HMG etc and a number of people saying we should do something. The question is what? We don't have to take this lying down. Fact- The Fed have not represented us. Fact- We are being severely mistreated. There are some very bright minds on this forum, I'm sure we have a lot of people with good ideas about the way forward. Before anyone posts I will remind my colleagues what the law says about us being unable to take or incite others to take any industrial action. Please do not make any suggestions that can be seen to be unlawful. I think that My primary suggestion is that we all, as in all members, need to reapproach the Fed and say we want the Industrial Rights issue looked at again as it was mismanaged the last time. I have already written to my rep. We as an organisation have nothing to lose and we need the same rights as other industries to protect our interests. There is nothing left to be bought by our lack of rights. My secondary suggestion is that we all start sticking together and take an attack on one of us as an attack on all. This as long as Im alright jack attitude quite frankly disgusts me-I thought the Police were a family. When the time comes we need to grow a pair and ask for the same rights as everyone else. When we have those rights we wont be going to a nuclear summit armed with a potato peeler. So please- Those of you with ideas-What do YOU think WE should do-Less complaining more action.
Insp Templer posted a topic in UK Police/Crime NewsIs it possible to voluntarily relinquish the medical ill health benefits of the 1987 police pensions scheme and thus reduce contributions by 3.5%? Below is an extract from the PPS 1987 regulations. Therefore If I don't what the ill health benefits why should I or any officer have to pay for them,especially if the benefits at the end remain the same? Has anyone got any ideas? 3.2 Your contributions You pay contributions towards the cost of your pension benefits. These are set as a percentage of your ‘pensionable pay’, the current rate being 11% (less 1p a week). If you are ineligible for ill-health benefits you will pay contributions at a reduced rate, currently 7.5%. In PPS, members’ contributions meet about a third of the estimated cost of providing pensions and other benefits (the remaining cost being met by employers’ contributions and central government).