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Everything posted by skydiver

  1. Its a sad indictment of society that NHS staff and paramedics can't be expected to get through their shifts without being assaulted.
  2. You are welcome. Try UK Cop Humour over on Facebook for a patch.
  3. They are optional and can be bought online and stuck on using velcro. Be warned though some police forces don't like them.
  4. skydiver


    I'm in a similar position and will have 8 years service in Nov so I went to PP6 i.e.£35127 this April.
  5. I saw the story via Bullshire and UK Cop Humour and saw that every comment on the Sun website was supportive of the police so I think that the intention to write an anti police story has backfired.
  6. What took them so long? Forces which use a mental health triage car seem to see a reduction in demand on their response officers and offer a more professional response to people with mental health problems. Demand for the service does however outstrip supply but at least when the car is available it does reduce demand. I assume from the article that it was probably NHS funding which the force was waiting for in order to employ the appropriate mental health nurse along side the police. If that is the case then it shows one of the problems with some partnership working i.e. waiting for other agencies to provide money or staff, but in the meantime we still have the burden of providing a response. Ideally this sort of service should be run entirely by the NHS and ambulance service as many mental health problems we respond to are not crime related.
  7. skydiver

    Missing person mandatory information

    TBH the police probably would not look for anyone over 18 assuming there were no issues (mental health, self harm, suicide, honour based violence, suspicious circumstances etc) or at most would class them as low risk would would mean that we'd only carry out cursory checks.
  8. Cons: Having to arrest on new evidence Having to take up more time out of our limited time to make further arrests Having to find hard to find suspects a second time Losing the ability in some cases to impose relevant bail conditions Suspect centric rather than victim centric Bureaucratic with increasing amounts of time being needed for every additional extension New time limits don't take bottlenecks into account such as forensics or drugs tests let alone more complicated investigations such as indecent images or large scale fraud. Suspects not knowing if and when we are going to come back to make a further arrest Pros: Easy headline for the government so say that they are reforming the police Sledge hammer to crack a nut to reform the minority of times when bail has effectively been open ended.
  9. But only after an Inspector has authorised the original 28 days. The fact is that any remotely complicated investigation will require numerous bail authorisations and extensions which will take up increasing amounts of time as the level of authority gets higher. I think that the old system should have been tweaked rather than these wholesale changes being made as they do very little to protect to victims but do a lot more to protect suspects.
  10. I wonder what the Fed were telling the government 12-18 months ago when this was first mooted because its little late now to do anything about it. The CoP also seemed to have dropped the ball when it cam to lobbying about this issue as they only seemed to wake up to the potential pitfalls of the changes about 3 months ago.
  11. Can't be cheaper than using cars seized from criminals as we do. There never are enough vehicles available though even when we complement the fleet with a few hire cars.
  12. Pros - cost and speed (getting on station quicker and being able to cover a wider area faster), use less aeroplanes to cover a wider area in comparison to a helicopter. Cons - speed (can't hover as Zulu pointed out),can't land on a six pence, can't mount or use searchlights like a helicopter(?)
  13. Direct entry Supers and Inspectors with non British applicants for chief constable roles being courted and now the MPS is recruiting direct entry DCs! Their argument is that not everyone wants to have a fight on a Saturday night as a starting point in the police before being able to specialise so recruitment directly as a DC will encourage different and new people to apply. http://www.policeoracle.com/news/investigation/2016/Oct/05/met-begins-recruiting-direct-entry-detectives_93093.html Personally I think this will water down the universal nature of the role of constable which means that we are flexible and can do almost any job thrown at us which allows back filling when the proverbial hits the fan. The flip side of that is that many of us are Jack of all trades which means that talent gets smothered. It will also mean that these new direct entry DCs will be less likely to get their hands dirty dealing with their own arrests and prisoners because they won't have had the experience of fighting with someone if push comes to shove, neither will they have experience of golden hour investigation or the practical use of the building blocks at the start of an incident. They won't know about the tedium of scene pres, bed watches or constants, all of which uniform do on behalf of DCs, but at least if they started uniform they will have an appreciation of those mundane tasks. It will reinforce a them and us attitude and divide uniform even more firmly from DCs whilst they'll be recruiting DCs who haven't experienced the basic skills of the job.
  14. I've just had a period acting up on response and it was the hardest and most intense period of work I have done since joining, including the 4 years I did on response as a PC. I'm now a t/DC and the contrast between the intensity and work requirements of the two roles is poles apart. We have an interesting problem in the police in that some specialist roles such as DCs are getting harder and harder to fill in some forces, yet numbers interested in joining the police have only seen a small decline. A career in the police is still seen as an attractive job but there is some government research showing that numbers applying to be PCs are starting to reduce. Once in though people see the reality of some of the roles and actively shy away from applying for them, such as being a DC in some forces. My force seems to attract a reasonable number of people when we run DCs application processes having run three in the last two years to bolster numbers although I'm not sure how many we needed to recruit. I do know though that people weren't particularly interested in transferring to us as when we advertised only a handful applied and we only took on two from other forces. Both Hampshire and the MPS have started advertising externally for direct entry DCs to try to plug gaps in their ranks. It would also be interesting to see what the score is for other specialisms such as firearms and to get an idea about interest in joining those teams. From what I've read there seem to be problems with DC recruitment and retention because of pay although that can be applied across the board, work load, constant beasting from HMG and HMIC, blame culture, poor management, poor promotion prospects and poor training. These issues need to be fixed soon or the problems will get worse. Gimmicks like external direct entry will only paper over cracks and won't address the core problem.
  15. TBH Zulu I agree with you but I also think that some shops have the capacity to help themselves a lot more by deterring known shop lifters. 2todo also makes a valid point about cutbacks leaving the front line bare. I'll give you two examples from my force. Firstly we are often taking 2 hours or more to get to shop lifters so shop staff sometimes release the thief before we get there. Secondly a couple of week ago we had two stabbings on a saturday night in the city centre but we didn't have any staff left to go to the local hospital when the second victim presented himself there although he had three stab wounds. Those situations were unthinkable a couple of years ago
  16. I wonder if Steve White noticed that very few departments other than the NHS, education and DFID got mentioned so the police weren't a special case. If I was him I wouldn't be too worried about this budget but I'd be lobbying the government now to head off the next round of cuts as HMG is talking about 3-6% budget cuts across all departments which presumably will be announced in the Autumn statement. We got off lightly 1 1/2 years ago due to the Paris attacks but the government has a short memory and probably thinks that we can sustain more cuts and as we know the largest departments such as health are reasonably well protected from cuts, whereas and despite the governments fine rhetoric, I don't think we are.
  17. Most of the DT story is almost word for word the same as the one carried by the Daily Fail so I wonder if it came from an agency and was just reprinted without any effort. I've heard that newspapers have had to cut back on the number of journalists they employ to cut costs so I wonder if they see the irony of reporting that the the police have had to reduce service in some areas due to budget cuts when newspapers have had to do the same. My force has toyed with doing the same thing and IIRC didn't Devon and Cornwall propose that they would stop dealing with petrol station bilkings last year? One positive side effect of this sort of policy is that larger shops at least might start trying to deter shoplifters rather than watching them come in and walk out with their stash before reporting it to the police. I also heard a story on Five Live today about a journalist for Vice who had researched shoplifting and concluded that shoppies like to steal meat as 'everyone eats it,' it is expensive and easy to sell. He made his discovery sound as if it was some sort of ground breaking discovery rather than something any probationer learns in their first week.
  18. skydiver

    The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    Constabularies can't do everything and therefore are prioritising some areas whilst others slip down the pecking order. Many are having to make a choice between neighbourhood and response with both suffering but with one losing out more than the other. My force has prioritised neighbourhoods which means that when you take into account regular occurrences such as bed watches or constants some night shifts don't have any officers left after briefing. Safeguarding is however one area which seems to have been protected more than others but it has a lot of catching up to do to get to where it should be. In the meantime demands on police don't go down. HMG tends to forget that we are open 24/7 and that other organisations which have also suffered from cuts use us to respond to their incidents.
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    A late wake up call perhaps.

    Protected means different things to different people. To the government its a nice headline figure to show how generous they have been and how much they love the police but that doesn't take into account the reality that inflation has eaten into the protection, that some of the funding increase comes from council tax precept increases which have different effects depending on which part of the country you live in, and that some of the protected funds have been top sliced to go into HMG's pet police projects and have therefore been diverted by them away from the front line.
  20. skydiver

    Notice period to resign

    One probie I knew resigned and was put on restricted duties to serve out his notice period but actually left within a couple of working days rather than at the end of 4 weeks. If someone is not happy and has become unmotivated they become a danger to everyone so there's no point having them hanging around.
  21. My force has run a campaign reminding us that assaults on officers are unacceptable but I don't think that either the CPS or the local Mags have the same attitude if the number of downgrades and pathetic sentences seen is anything to go by. I saw an article recently which highlighted a 4 years sentence for s.18 wounding handed out to a burglar who ran over a police officer leaving him with serious injuries. If the judge wanted to show the world that an assault on a police officer was a serious offence then the sentence should have been at least double that.
  22. Cheers YOd4 your explanation makes sense. I won't go into the details of the incident for obvious reasons except to say that it involved a lot of criminal damage and offensive weapons. It seems crazy to me that a suspect can disappear off to Scotland after committing an offence in England and for it to be so difficult to deal with them. In my example one of the suspects was detained in Scotland for another offence but all Police Scotland could do for us was to ask if he would stay for a voluntary interview. He declined so that was that.
  23. One of my colleagues needs to deal with someone who lives in Scotland and is wanted for an offence in England but Police Scotland can't arrest him for us! My colleague therefore has two options, either to get a warrant or to go there and arrest him himself. Strangely enough we can arrest offenders here on behalf of Police Scotland though. The thought struck me that its probably easier to arrange to get someone arrested in France using a EAW than it is to get someone arrested in Scotland!
  24. skydiver

    Where have they gone

    And me...
  25. skydiver

    How has the Police changed you as a person?

    JC is now in charge of the Labour Party so maybe your Dad shouldn't be too worried about the anti christ being in charge of the party although the way some people talk about him you'd think he was Satan incarnate. I was reading one of those free countryside magazines in a Drs surgery a short while ago. It contained an article about executions in our local prison, but the thing which struck a cord with me was that I am dealing with people with the same surnames now as were being executed in the 18th century. It may be that they're not from the same families but I did find it amusing that they might be some sort of descendent and that they have carried on the same fine family traditions.