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oldcopper last won the day on October 13 2017

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  1. oldcopper


    When I joined, over 50 years ago, the height limit for most police forces in the UK was around 5'10'' with 2 or 3 requiring candidates to be 6'0''. It was necessary in those days for police officers to be large persons as we lacked the excellent equipment which today's officers are issued with to defend themselves or summon assistance quickly and frequently had to depend on our physical prowess to carry out certain aspects of policing. However, things have moved on and given the kit which today's officers are issued, physical prowess and appearance are not as necessary as they were at one time. I see many officers on the streets today who are les than your 5'8''. Good luck.'
  2. If anyone should tell the public the truth it is the Police Service itself. For decades police officers of all ranks have being telling the public that everything in the garden is rosy and that the Nation was being served by the best and most efficient Police Service in the World. The truth of the matter is that for years we bluffed our way through thick and thin and we did it so well that the people and many politicians came to believe what was being said and arrived at the conclusion that policing on the cheap could be achieved without any harm being done to anyone and that, no matter how overstretched or underfunded police forces were, the job could always be done by the good old British bobby. As I reflect over the past half-century I have no doubt that we must accept at least part of the blame for the current state of affairs.
  3. oldcopper

    Being papered by IPCC

    That was always the advice given by the Fed. to members of my old force and, generally speaking, I think it is good and sensible advice. However, there are always exceptions to the rule and I remember an officer who gave a lengthy reply when served with discipline papers which explained away most of the allegations against him and the matter was dropped almost immediately. I have to say that it appears to me that discipline papers are being served on more officers for relatively trivial matters these days or am I just imagining this.
  4. No matter what the truth of this issue, or whether it will prove good or bad, I have no doubt that money is at the root of the matter. Due to the fincncial situation in which our nation finds itself, cuts in the amounts of cash given to all parts of the public sector have to be made and it appears that the Poilce Service is not to be excluded from these strictures. While sympathising with HMG in its financial predicament I cannot but think that cutting the finances of the Police Service will, in the long term, be a false economy as policing will gradually become increasingly erodied and lawlessness will gradually increase with the inevitable costs. As I have said before, HMG should give priority to its principal functions of protecting the country and its inhabitants and exclude polcing from the worst parts of cuts on the public sector.
  5. You appear to have serious reservations about the job you are applying for and that appears to me to manifest a lack of the commitment necessary for such a post which leads me to believe you should withdraw from the selection process. It does you credit that you realise you might be wasting everyones' time if you continued merely for the sake of the experience and I have to say I can see some use in that line of thinking. I suspect you need more time to think about what you want to do with your life and which profession you wish to follow.
  6. oldcopper

    Hillsborough Verdict

    Yes, it's a bit like deaths in police custody. I was involved in one when close to retirement and although it was widely acknowledged that I and others did everything properly and a fatal accident enquiry did not apportion blame to the police, while a civil action by the family failed the relatives (I am told) still steadfastly maintain that the police were to blame for their relative's demise in police cells. All this despite that fact that he was a chronic alcoholic and drug user and had an underlying heart condition that had not been diagnosed prior to the post-mortem which followed his death. It appears that some people really must have a scapegoat.no matter what. And what better scapegoat is there than the Police Service.
  7. oldcopper

    Hillsborough Verdict

    So far as I can see, no matter what decision was taken by the police in relation to this incident, there was a strong potential liklihood that some form of disaster would happen and the police would be held culpable . If the police had not opened the Leppings Lane gate, to admit those supporters who arrived late, the said supporters would almost certainly have gone of the rampage and caused mayhem of a significant kind which would have attracted the opprobrium of the public etc. towards the police for NOT opening the gates and admitting the late arrivals. I remember an almost identical situation n Glasgow many years ago when it was decided not to open the gates and mounted officers had to be deployed to deal with the irate supporters who declined to disperse. Criticism fell upon the police for their actions in doing exactly the opposite of what happened at Hillsborough. It seems that sometimes you just can't win.
  8. This is so true and it appears to me that if a political party or an individual politician tells the truth about the potential economic situation we face in the future they are doomed to failure. All parties seem to win elections by promising the earth to the electorate in the form of low taxation or increased benefits of one sort another which involves more spending. I would like to see a cross-party group of politicians, assisted by the most reputable of economists and bankers lay out to the electorate exactly what will happen to our economy if we continue spending at the rate we have been doing for some time now. I doubt if many members of the Labour Party would be willing to participate in such a venture because all they seem to do is make promises about what they intend doing without identifying where the money will come from. It should be made abundantly plain to all that governments have no money other than that which they receive from us in the form of taxes or by borrowing. And even the borrowed money has to be paid back by the taxpayer.
  9. oldcopper

    Residential tower block in West London

    I fail to understand why HMG did not call in the Army to coordinate and assist with this incident. The military have been used in various other types of disaster such as flooding etc. and I think their involvement would have been invaluable in this instance.
  10. I suspect your estimate of 5 years is not too far out. I also agree that the funding could, and probably should, come from the Foreign Aid Budget. However, no matter which party is in power that particular source of cash appears to be sacrosanct.
  11. Where do you think the money to pay for the end of so-called austerity is going to come from? This country already has large deficit and if we continue spending at our current levels this can only get worse and lead to even more tremendous economic problems in the future. All political parties wish to remain in power so they bribe the electorate with cash and other benefits to elect them and when it becomes apparent reductions in public expenditure are required they are either afraid of losing power and surrender to those who care nothing for the Country's economic future or they bite the bullet, do the correct thing and suffer the opprobrium of the public at large. I actually allow myself a wry smile when I hear talk of austerity. I am old enough to remember the 1950s quite well and austerity really did exist then. Most of the people who think we are living in a time of austerity don't really know what they are talking about.
  12. Sorry for the typo. It should have read 30 years servicde but I think you knew that.
  13. oldcopper

    The general election (June 2017)

    So true as regards Sturgeon and Salmond and I was also pleased to see Angus Robertson, the odious and unctuous leader of the SNP group at Westminster, losing his seat along with various others in the SNP gang. I agree about Corbyn and his bribery offer to sudents in England and Wales. I read that the annual cost of this would be £12billion and wonder that many young people are so gullible that they would believe Corbyn or accept that such expenditure is sustainable. Again we have talk of profligate spending emanting from the mouths of scocialist politicians who labour (no pun intended) under the misapprehension that money grows on trees. Sadly, it falls easliy on the ears of those who believe what they want to hear. It is the same with all those other issues such as care for the elderly, and the universal payment of Winter Fuel Allowance etc. They are all unsustainable in the long term but few politicians have the courage to tackle them head-on or even make reference to them. Theresa May did so in her manifesto and that honesty was part of the reason for the situation she finds herself in today. Perhaps the lesson is that, if you possess even a modicum of integrity or realism, don't enter politics.
  14. I s[pent all my police service in areas where the Labour Party were politically dominant and with very few exceptions can state that they, and other on the Left, were rarely great fans of the police. I don't think things would change when a current Labour win would have resulted in some if its leadership being people who once wished for the abolition of Special Branch and the disarming of the Police.
  15. I remember those days well and it was only because I was unmarried that I was not in the same situation as your father. Things only changed because of Edmund-Davies which came about largely because of a difficulty to recruit and the further problem of retained those who did join. Of my intake of 20 only 2 of us completed 10 years service and only 2 of us completed the 30 years necessary to qualify for a pension. We owe much to those who voted with their feet and resigned. Most had gone within the first 5/6 years, as predicted by the Sgt who took us through our first week at training school.