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Reasonable Man

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  1. The question is asked via an anonymous survey (ooh! Can't trust them to make it truly anonymous!!) so officers could tell the truth. Don't tell your contacts that I don't believe them as I am not in a position to believe or disbelieve them - I do not have regular contact with officers in GMP or Cheshire. You could tell them that it is not the same in every other force - unless you think I am lying about my current experience. You could also ask them why they act in an unethical way, let victims of crimes down and risk their jobs (breaching the Code of Conduct can be Gross Misconduct and so sackable). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. HMIC now pointedly ask officers if they are put under any pressure to not record crime properly. From last year's report on GMP, 'The majority of officers and staff reported that the force’s approach in respect of crime-recording had improved or significantly improved since our 2014 inspection.' So either things have and are changing in this regard since you left GMP or the officers lied to the HMIC inspectors. And for a wider view - my previous post about not tarring all forces with the same brush: Avon & Somerset, Sussex and Staffordshire Reports had the same phrasing: 'We were pleased to find that the majority of respondents reported that the constabulary’s approach in respect of crime-recording had improved or significantly improved since our 2014 inspection. Furthermore, staff were clear that they no longer felt under any pressure to minimise the number of crimes recorded on the basis of performance targets.' Officers in three other forces with the opportunity to report on being under pressure to not record crimes but say not. Are they all lying or have times changed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. Who's slating anyone? I am a retired officer as well and, like you, worked through the good old, bad old days when 'cuffing' and other 'gaming' methods were rife. I cannot disagree that it still goes in your old force, as GMP are rated as being inadequate in crime recording. But don't tar every force with that brush? West Mids were found to record 97% of the crimes they should in the 2014 HMIC inspection and Sussex were recently found to be recording over 95%. I anticipate your response will be about how clever those forces may be at hiding their dirty tricks, but without evidence that is unfounded. HMIC have honed their approach and are aware of where the corners are to poke around in. I note that your approach to the validity of your assertions has changed recently, from your experience as an officer to now having a better view of policing from being 'outside the box' than those who are still inside it. Strange. Sent from me using Witchcraft
  4. It's partly culture and partly where you are. I believe that you are still in Scotland and Police Scotland has not had the harsh criticism about failing to record crimes that forces in England and Wales have had. Some Forces in E&W are under the microscope of HMIC for crime recording and have been told to improve within 12 months or face the consequences. The Chiefs of GMP and other forces graded as 'inadequate' cannot afford to be inadequate again. The Deputy Chief in the force where I currently work is on record telling officers that an increase in crime is perfectly acceptable, even a good thing, as it shows integrity and ethical crime recording. The problem has shifted from the senior officers putting on performance pressure - reduce crime, increase detections - to the Sgt and Constable ranks not understanding or agreeing with the rules and avoiding crimes to keep their own workloads down. Sent from me using Witchcraft
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    Beggars Belief

    What do these people think about? She's an attractive young woman too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. It may still happen in your old force as they were recently graded as being inadequate for crime recording in their HMIC report. I'm sure the Chief will be looking to turn that around though as he will be under intense scrutiny from HMIC and so the Home Office to show a marked improvement. In the force where I work there are loads of undetected shopliftings as when someone from a shop reports a theft then it is recorded at the point of report. Officers may attend or not and the crime is screened for investigation potential. Unless there is proof that no theft occurred then it remains on the books. Long gone are the days of the officer attending and writing off the log as 'no proof there was a theft here'.
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    Resignation !!

    This is Cheese with his sage (wise) advice. [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Resignation !!

    This is Cheese with his sage (wise) advice. [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Resignation !!

    You need Cheese's sage advice on this but from my limited knowledge you can get no pension at all until SPA you go before 50. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. As Trump would say - 'Fake news'. The Sgt didn't put it very well, she may have got dragged into saying some arbitrary figure. The truth is the police can't do everything and so must prioritise. She simply said that in the big scheme of things shoplifting has a lower priority over many other things. She did not say that the police will never deal with shoplifting ever again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. Most do. Sure there are the few 'Loadsa Money's picking up more, same as the story a few years ago of constables and Sgts earning upwards of £80k. My son is a works supervisor for road maintenance firm, directly supervises 22 staff and is responsible for their health and safety. Takes home less than £80 a day, closer to £70.
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    The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    Fortunately for the OP HMIC has today published its report on the effectiveness of the police. For those who are interested best read the reports on HMIC website. In summary overall 1 force - Bedfordshire - is inadequate overall; 13 require improvement; 28 are good; and Durham is outstanding. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    Is it something you should deal with, is it something you could deal with? Personally if someone offered me drugs but I didn't see them I would submit Intel when next on duty. If someone showed me a load of drugs the I would phone it in and try to get on duty officers there to deal (no pun intended). Step in and try to capture dealer may result in a couple of his minders bundling you into the toilet as he makes his escape and you are left feeling silly and bruised. My intervention while off duty went back to line one of the responsibilities - the protection of life and (sometimes) property. Sent from me using Witchcraft
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    Deliberately scratched car and racial abuse

    Not quite. "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person." Whereas to be a racist crime, or rather racially aggravated crime, the circumstances must fit the definition as per the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (as amended). Sent from me using Witchcraft
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    Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    Based on the Information she had at the time - bearing mind she had only taken over the reigns 20 mins before - her decision making was found to be faultless. The result was bad but that's another matter. We often hear, and read on here, about junior officers who make decisions and then are castigated by the 'nine o'clock jury' who have the luxury of time and hindsight to find fault. Ms Dick was subjected to the greatest possible scrutiny and found to be blameless for her decision making. Quite rightly her career has not been halted by the end result of that decision being unfortunate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    Sounds like the NIM to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    I should be a script writer. Right on cue the same old ill informed comments, tinged with a little mysogony. I've seen the records she made of her decision making made at the time of the incident, and it a better example would be very hard to find. Even from a man! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    Yep, we've got that set up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    Excellent news. A break from the old guard. I can't think of a better candidate but thought 'they' may have stuck with the middle aged grey man. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  20. It's been being said for years. 15 or so years ago as a lowly DS I was visited by an ACC from another force who was part of the ACPO reducing bureaucracy team, or some such name. Never saw anything come out of that. Then Ronnie Flanagan report that was going to free us up, anyone give any examples of the benefits of that? So forgive my cynicism but I'm not holding my breath on this one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Direct entry as Inspector.

    How do you know? Have you ever tried? It may be your calling. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Direct entry as Inspector.

    The CO, a Lieutenant Colonel, commands the Regiment being responsible for the overall operational effectiveness of their unit in terms of military capability, welfare and general discipline. The RSM is the senior advisor of the CO, with leadership, discipline and welfare responsibilities. It's more of a partnership, a bit like when a Superintendent has overall command of a major incident but will have Constables or Sergeants as firearms or PSU tactical advisors. The command of the Army must be in tatters though as 80% of officers join through the graduate route, with some more joining the same way without a degree. 44 weeks at Sandhurst to churn out all those Ruperts. I'm puzzled at your discrimination of people with degrees. Envy? Over 50% of students now go on to University and your posts all suggest that they will all come out as incompetents with no practical skills. Sent from me using Witchcraft
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    Going part time?

    You won't find a station in my force without a smattering of part time workers. Over all there is more respect for them than full timers as the majority are more productive in the time they are there than most full time colleagues. The same has been known in private industry for years. Part time cops is sign of the police slowly moving into the 20th century, as mentioned elsewhere. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Direct entry as Inspector.

    I'm not after takers. If I wanted to change things I wouldn't be doing it on a forum with a handful of participants. I don't understand why you think of everything in the extreme. I said we do not have the best police in the world, and you claim I am saying the British police are s**t. I point out cases where we haven't done a good job and I am accused of moaning. The thing you have got right is that I don't think things are good enough. Current evidence that the British police are not that great - the last PEEL report on police effectiveness (2015) found overall that 18 out of 43 forces Requires Improvement. 31 are Inadequate or Requires Improvement in the area of protecting vulnerable people. The British Police is very good, one of the best, but sitting on ones laurels only leads to going in one direction. You say you are up for change based on evidence. The only way to evidence whether direct entry Inspectors can be any good is to try them. You have no evidence that they will be no good. I am not betting my pension on them being a roaring success but my feeling is they won't be the unmitigated disaster some think. I think they will become as good as others in the rank and the benefit will be later as they rise through the ranks as they will have more experience in the ranks that matter. I also believe that life will be made very difficult for them, I picture Carl Brashear, the character played by Cuba Gooding Jr in Men of Honor. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Direct entry as Inspector.

    This just comes down to the same old thing. The majority are fixed in their view and so myopic that they cannot imagine that something different may just work. They are happy to moan about the current way of doing things but give somethings else a try? What an insult. 'We know what's best and no one had better suggest any different.' The tedious 'horns or halo' approach is churned out to castigate everyone who has not come through the preferred route. Meanwhile the couple of us who dare suggest that there may just possibly be a better way get shot down, just like new ideas. Hillsborough and Lawrence may have happens some time ago but these things take years to unravel. I'd bet that in ten and twenty years time there will be stories in the press about the mistakes being made in policing today. And the cops then will say, 'But that was then, it wouldn't happen today.' And the cycle repeats itself. I have experience of policing in other countries, I'm not prepared to go into detail, mainly to avoid the negative comments that I can imagine from some. Suffice to say I have worked with officers in San Fransisco and Vancouver and those forces are at least the equal of here - I'd say Vancouver was better. I know officers who have left here and gone to work in Toronto, San Diego, New Zealand and Western Australia. Report are the first two are way better managed than over here. New Zealand - behind the times, making mistakes that we made 20 years ago in terms of their processes. Western Australia, not the best place, difficult to compare as the vastness makes it so different from even the most rural areas over here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk