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Reasonable Man

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    Why is assault acceptable

    If it was locally resolved then you should have been told about your right to appeal to the Chief Constable or IPCC. You don't say what your complaint was though and if it was about a policy or procedure that was followed rather than the actions of an individual officer then you have no right of appeal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. Pedant alert. Every £ given to someone from the Government coffers is paid for by 30,000,000 income tax payers (23p) with the rest coming from other Treasury income. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Notts Force Interview

    Hi Luke, I don't think you will get a lot of advice on here - this forum is very quiet and has few young in service officers. You would be better off on the sister site - UK Police Online - which is very busy with recruitment discussions. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    The general election (June 2017)

    So another hung parliament. Another unexpected result for a Tory leader? Five more years of no 'strong and stable' leadership - who can/will the Tories form a government with? This election proves however that Labour is not the lost cause that many suggested, UKIP is clearly a spent force and should just go, Scottish voters have moved away from their protest voting at the last election meaning the SNP has lost over 20 seats. So now about a year of the two we have to negotiate Brexit will be wasted as our domestic government has to be sorted out and the direction the new government wishes to take us is sorted out.
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    Burglary question

    I'd charge b because that's what happened. She had entered part of the building as a trespasser and stole. You don't have to worry about what her intentions were at the time she leaned over. You are correct about the part of a building within a building and about your last question. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Burglary question

    Technically both. But you'd charge 9,1,b. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Bye bye UKIP

    With the results of the local elections showing that UKIP is now a spent political force will they do the honourable thing and go away? I said some time ago that the EU Referendum was the end of UKIP as the result makes them pointless. I expect they will hang on until the General Election but surely this will just add to their embarrassment. To lose 114 council seats is, in anyone's book, an unmitigated disaster. I suppose in the general election they can't go any lower than no MPs but their share of the vote will surely take the same nose dive as it did this week. I say anyone would consider it a disaster, of course some UKIP diehards won't see it that way. Like Farage on Any Questions last night trying to put a positive spin that UKIP forced the Tories to take on all their policies so taking the UKIP voters with them. Desperation talk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Bye bye UKIP

    Interesting observations in my area. There were two places where, in the runs up to the last GE and the referendum, UKIP and Brexit posters were dominant on one of my regular routes. One put up two big 10'x6' posters, one for traffic in each direction. This time both are promoting 'Conservative'.
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    Bye bye UKIP

    So you said. But that's a matter for he Scottish electorate. If they think that is a major problem then they will vote their SNP MPs out on June 8. This thread is about whether UKIP is a spent force and, having achieved their aim, should go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Bye bye UKIP

    All governments are criticised for the way they run public services so that means very little . The SNP got 50% of the votes in a very high turnout in their country so have an undeniable mandate to govern. UKIP got 12.5% of the votes but spread too thinly. And does any sane person honestly think that they are I a position to run a country? I wouldn't trust them to run for a bus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Bye bye UKIP

    Of course not. They run a country and will continue to do so, independent or not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Bye bye UKIP

    The 4 million UKIP voters where in the wrong places and spread too thinly. What UKIP did was create nervousness in the main parties, in particular the Tories, hence Cameron's promise to hold the referendum if he got voted in. Of course we all now know that that backfired on him. Anywho - the point is UKIP were formed to make the UK 'independent'. Now the UK will be, whatever that means, so no need for UKIP any longer. And if the local elections are anything to go by those 4 million votes will be down to 1 million or fewer come June 2017. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Missing person mandatory information

    Had a case just like this. The family was told that the police were satisfied that the person concerned was safe and well but did not want their family to be told of their whereabouts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. I guess the savings have been proved by the hospitals and universities using the scheme. Unless they all choose to use a more expensive way. Surprisingly when I first changed my insurance for police use it was £3 cheaper!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Constant false allegations

    Is that an injection to cure or to euthanise? [emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Constant false allegations

    Why close any request for advice? There's a legal disclaimer and people can only advise based on the information provided. That is clear to the OP so not 'dangerous' at all. Virtually all other forums allow advice to be given. This one did not used to but now it is more moderately moderated then hopefully it will attract more people to join and we may get more than half a dozen posts a week on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Constant false allegations

    There is not much you can do about what your husband reports but I would get each of the three of you to list what false reports etc he has made against each of you that only affected you as individuals. Then separately report those circumstances to the police as harassment. Insist that you are reporting a crime (each of you so that's three crimes) of Harassment. Insist that you want it recorded as a crime and you do not want it dealt with by him being given a warning or 'advice' or a PIN. Get a crime number. This doesn't mean the police can or will do anything but it will be on record that he is harassing you so should inform the way any further reports are dealt with. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    I've stuck rigidly to the topic until doing you the courtesy of answering a direct question. Constantly claiming any disagreement with your posts is an attack on the poster really doesn't take us anywhere. Anyway you have provided further evidence of where you gather your information to base your opinion of Ms Dick. It may not be at NARPO meetings but is at other social events. This still provides no indication that your opinion on the new Commissioner has any validity compared with the official scrutiny she has been subjected to. As I said we can all make up our own minds on the evidence available.
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    Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    You often tell us about your 30 years police experience, your membership of two NARPO groups and that you discuss policing issues with former colleagues. I'm just joining the dots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    Ms Dick's decision making in the de Menezes case was subject to the utmost scrutiny by several bodies tasked to do so. Including the (allegedly 'let's get the police at all costs' IPCC). At every turn she was found blameless. Her decision making in that case is used as a case study of good practice in the leadership courses delivered by the College of Policing. Now there may be a conspiracy by all bodies involved to protect Ms Dick at all cost. And we have Zulu's view from what he read in the papers and what he has discussed with ex colleagues at a NARPO meeting. We have to make up our own minds about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    I would intervene to prevent anyone from being assaulted, having assessed the risk (I don't think I would take on a dozen Hells Angels armed with knives and chains). That's being a good citizen IMO. I did exactly that as a 17 year old and used it as an example in my interview for the job. Three lads were picking on a black guy in a racist attack because he had white girlfriend, I saved the black guy from a beating as the bullies didn't think 3 v 2 was good enough odds for them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    I was once a cop but I am no longer. I left my powers and legal responsibilities with my warrant card when I retired. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    I think it would, and I think it should. This raises an interesting dilemma though. Does the officer who has consumed several pints at the bar who puts himself on duty to deal with a fight leave himself open to being disciplined for being drunk on duty? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Beggars Belief

    Unless the minimum joining age is raised to, say, 30 then how can they be requirements? I joined at 18 with little maturity, no proven capability and a very short track record of anything. At that time the average age of the intake was 21. A couple were shed early on and the rest made the grade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  25. I don't believe anyone from my generation is without this particular sin. I was taught by the 'old and bold' about what to record and what not and that was the way it was. Unfortunately that culture has led to another area of criticism of the police today. It would be nice though to think that the current crop of cops will change that culture and not sin over crime recording. I see evidence of it changing, thankfully. Maybe your 'high and Mighty' will change thing in your neck of the woods. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk