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  1. Yorkshire

    COMPULSORY SEVERANCE: The mother lode

    Had two rounds of VS last year in my force, but have been told there won't be a third. Incidentally, I've heard rumours that incentive packages might be coming in to entice cops who have left, to return.
  2. Yorkshire

    Thinking of leaving...Advice?

    I would strongly advise anyone in your position to leave the job sooner rather than later. Get out before you start to feel trapped by the pension, otherwise you will stay put and be unhappy for all your service. Ive got 20yrs in and I positively hate the job. The last 5 yrs have seen the introduction of so many new processes and changes that the job is beyond recognition compared to how it was when I joined in 1998, and I feel I know less now than 10yrs ago. Just as I am at the point when I should know everything I should ever need to know about how to do my job, I instead feel I have regressed and taken massive steps backwards. Looking back at my 20yrs I wish I had left much earlier in service, but the pension trapped me in and made me stay. Im getting out as soon as I've got 25yrs in, and I can't wait for that day. But don't be like me and fall into the pension trap, get out ASAP.
  3. Yorkshire

    Pension Politics

    Assuming your RAF pension has bought you 6yrs 284 days 'transferred in' police pension, than you currently have 24yrs 284 days pensionable service. You can retire in 81 days with 25yrs pensionable service. You will receive the pension straight away as you will be over 50yrs old by then. Its the pensionable service thats the key, not your actual service. Your 25yr pension will obviously be smaller than if you remained until 30yrs pensionable service. But you get 5yrs of your life back, and you can't put a price on that. My advice would be to stay off with stress for the next 81 days. You lucky bugger!
  4. Yorkshire

    Pension Politics

    Yes, a per my example above, I'm told you can receive the 2015 pension at age 55, but at a reduced amount. Obviously it is reduced as you will have retired earlier than this pension expects you to, but it will be paying this reduced amount for more years as you have retired earlier.
  5. Yorkshire

    Pension Politics

    This is my understanding for officers who want to retire at 25yrs service... 1987 Pension Scheme If you have previously paid into the 1987 pension, and have remained in the police pension (whether that be tapered or with the 2015 CARE pension), and you have 25yrs pensionable service, then you can retire at 25yrs service as long as you are age 50 or over. You start receiving the pension straight away, but the amount you get is based only on the number of pensionable years you have with the 1987 pension. 2015 Care pension The earliest you can start receiving this pension is age 55. So, an officer who has some years in the 1987 pension (and has remained in the police pension) can retire with 25yrs service as long as they are age 50 or over. Then, when they are age 55 they can also start to receive any 2015 CARE pension that they might have, or they can delay this if preferred. The crucial points for retiring with 25 yrs pensionable service are.. You have got 25yrs pensionable service (which includes pension you have transferred in from elsewhere) You are age 50 or over You have remained paying into the police pension up to the 25yr point, even if that means your now paying into the 2015 CARE scheme. This next bit I'm not entirely sure about but... If you were say age 48 with 25yrs service then you might still be able to retire, but you wouldn't receive your pension until you are age 50. Maybe someone could clarify this bit? Personally, I currently have 20yrs service. I joined in 1998 at age 26 and transferred in 6 months pension from my previous employment with me when I joined, so I now have 20.5yrs pensionable service. I plan to retire in 4.5yrs when I will have 25yrs pensionable service, at which point I will be age 50 so I can receive my qualifying 1987 pension straight away.. I will receive a pension based on the number of years I have protected in the 1987 scheme. Because I was moved over to the 2015 CARE pension when it came into effect, by the time I retire I will also have paid into the 2015 CARE pension for a few years. I cannot get at any of this pension until I am age 55. So, when I'm age 50 I will retire and receive a 1987 pension, and then when I'm age 55 I can, if I wish, start to receive my 2015 CARE pension, and I can also choose to commute some of it into a lump sum. I have my figures from my pension dept, and if I retire at 25yrs pensionable service I can only commute a smaller figure, so my lump sum will be about £29k instead of the £90k I would have got if I delayed my retirement until age 55. My 1987 pension will give me a lump sum pf £29k and a monthly pension of about £1000. When I'm age 55 the 2015 CARE pension will pay me about £5k lump sum, and about £200/month. Its much les than I envisaged when I joined, but I'm happy with this, as I just want to get out ASAP. I hate my job!
  6. Yorkshire

    Police Pension Calculator 2018

    The new pension calculator should now be on your Police Federation website. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-pensions-calculator
  7. Yorkshire

    4hrs OT working into a Rest Day/Banking Holiday

    As far as I understand it, the police working day starts as 8am, so working to 8am puts you at the start of the next new day, this being your first WL day. Working until 8:15am means you have worked 15mns into your WL day and it is these 15mins that entitle you to claiming for working on a WL day with less than 5 days notice, attracting a 4hr payment at the enhanced rate. Though something tells me you can also claim an additional 1 1/4 hrs for travelling time, but I'm not entirely sure about that.
  8. Yorkshire

    2015 CARE Pension & career breaks?

    I assume if he went part time for the next 5 yrs but remained in the 2015 CARE pension then he could still retire after 25yrs service, and draw a pension from his 1987 scheme?
  9. Yorkshire

    2015 CARE Pension & career breaks?

    Thanks cheese_puff, much appreciated.
  10. Could anyone please help me answer a question from a work colleague? One of the officers I work with has 20yrs service, and has always paid into the police pension. He as accrued a number of years in the 1987 scheme which is now locked away, and he is now paying into the 2015 CARE scheme. He is planing on retiring in 5yrs time when he is age 50 and with 25yrs service. He can then draw a reduced pension from the 1987 scheme, and then when he is aged 55 he can draw a reduced pension from the 2015 CARE scheme if he chooses. However, he is now considering a 5yr career break. So, If he took this career break he would have 25yrs service at the end of it. But I think the career break would prevent him from retiring at 25yrs service. He wouldn't be paying into any police pension during the career break and I think this would prevent him from retiring at 25yrs. Im of the belief that to retire at 25yrs service he must remain paying into the current 2015 CARE pension. Am I correct?
  11. Yorkshire

    Paying into Police pension

    Isn't it possible to just stop paying into the pension? Or must you remain in the pension scheme? Each to their own, but cops remaining at work when they could be getting their pension has always baffled me. They are effectively working for next to nothing, seeing as they could be receiving a nice pension for not working. Ok, its a reduced income but then you have to consider you aren't paying into your pension anymore, which boosts it back up to something similar to your current wage. The only way I would keep working for the police after qualifying for retirement is by retiring and then returning to work as civilian staff, that way you get your pension and your salary.
  12. Yorkshire

    Mental health, where next?

    golden retriever, I too have suffered with depression/anxiety mainly caused by work. It took me about 2 years to admit to myself that I had a problem. My wife recognised it though and made me a doctors appointment without me knowing. One day when we were out in the car she pulled into my doctors surgery car park and when I asked her why, she said she had made me an appointment. She knew I would never have made an appointment myself. Thats when I knew I had a problem. The doctor was great, and prescribed me Fluoxetine which really helped (after a few weeks). This, combined with other events (certain staff leaving my team, changes in my work & personal life) helped me get back on my feet. Sounds like you were braver than me, as you took time off sick (and rightly so) whereas I daren't due to the perceived stigma attached to the illness. Looking back I should have taken a few months off.
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  14. Yorkshire

    Hillsborough Verdict

    I feel its now more about vengeance than justice. The public have a thirst for blood, and the government want to give it to them to appease them. The country will not rest until people are convicted and perhaps imprisoned. Yet I do wonder how a jury can be found that can be unbiased, and not have knowledge of the disaster, and not have been influenced by media etc. I wonder if this will prevent any court case going ahead, or be grounds for appeal?
  15. Yorkshire

    Police Driving / Emergency Responding

    Ive discussed this topic with my shift at briefings, none of the other cops seem to fully appreciate the gravity of this issue, with most claiming that 'Oh, we will be ok because we are doing our job, and have exemptions'. I can't get through to some of them that its not about exemptions, and that simply moving over into the opposite carriageway to increase your view of the road ahead could be considered to be dangerous and below the standard of a careful and competent driver. The fact we have been trained to do this is no longer a defence. So in the wrong circumstances we could face prosecution. Sadly its no longer about getting to the scene promptly because 'its our job to do so'. Its now about getting to the end of your shift without facing being prosecuted at court. Yet another example of us having to cover our own arses. its matters like this that build up and grind you down over the years. We join the job to help others and do the right thing, but end up being demoralised.