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  1. I agree, maybe she should follow in the footsteps of the late great Mike Todd. She will be in Manchester next week and I should think there will be no end of willing volunteers. When in Rome.....
  2. KB - my point exactly. We can't function without probationers and so they have to be given tasers as soon as they are on independant patrol. Not sure that the theory that this a ploy to make us think that we can do with less officers holds much water. Although Kebab doesn't give a toss about upsetting the cops, I don't think she or her cronies can afford to 4rse the public off even more.
  3. This is the best news I have heard in ages. Its is about time we were given the right tools of the trade. There should be no restriction on providing them to all officers who routinely conduct patrol duties, regardless of the length of service. In my force, like many others I reckon, probationers who are just out of their 10 weeks in company can often be engaged on single independant patrol. What is to stop them facing a lunatic with a knife on the first day of patrol on their own? There should be no arbitrary qualifying date, period!! There will be the bleeding hearts who see this as the oppressive state clamping down on the people, but in the face of the ever increasing list of officers injured in the line of duty, we are a bright enough bunch of people to be able to make a cohesive argument supporting Taser. As for access, the only access I want is within easy reach of my right hand. It won't be any use in a locked or alarmed cabinet in a police station, if we are to have them, lets bite the bullet (pardon the pun) and do it properly and accept the responsibility wisely.
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    Classical Music....

    Check these out for size - 1. Richard Strauss (1864-1949) - Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30 - aka the Stanley Kubric 2001 Space Theme - don't just listen to the opening fanfare, listen to the whole thing. One of the best pieces of music ever written. Amazingly evocative. 2. Anything sung by The Sixteen who are arguably the worlds best vocal group. You will often hear them on classic fm singing renaissance choral pieces - simple but stunning music. 3. Gabrielli - Sonate Pian' et Forte from Sacrae Symphoniae (1597) played by the London Symphony Orchestra Brass. 4 . Nimrod from Elgar's Enigma Variations - played at the Cenotaph Remembrance Ceremony - no need for explanation....
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    Lets put this in perspective - regardless of the pointed arguments posted on here, this is yet another example of the Daily Mail stirring up racial tensions. The only thing they achieve by this cynical ploy is to shift more of what is essentially their recycled bog roll!!! And no I am not a Guardian reading leftie before the abuse starts... Regardless of the Daily Mails scare mongering and the creation of the moral panic phenomenom to the contrary, the will of the Great British Public is generally apathetic when it comes to voting for the main 3 parties (in England of course) in general elections.... Now ask yourself this in all honesty - do you think they will vote in such a radical concept as Sharia law? Do you honestly think any of the other parties will stand by and not challenge a manifesto supporting Sharia law? Neither do I! All this type of story does is to highlight how intolerant certain sections of British society are. This goes for all sections of society, not just the white middle classes. Bring on the debate - leave out the racist vitriol!lurpaksbone2008-09-11 20:33:24
  6. Tony w is right, we are public servants and the public have the right to voice their opinion. However the placing an overly high dependance on public perception is a superficial and dangerous strategy - the methods and measures used to gauge public perception are highly subjective and do not stand up to robust academic scrutiny because they do not provide a significant enough sample size. It is for those reasons that we should not get too hung up on an indicator with a questionable methodology. Clearly the public need to have confidence to report offences safe in the knowledge that they will be dealt with professionally, and we need to reinforce that message. On the taser issue, we all know the problems that inappropriate use can generate and that is surely going to be a central tenet of any training.
  7. Just to put things in context, this ex-Chief, far from taking the macho no-nonsense stance, lauded my many, appears to be more worried about the public relations aspect of the job. He states: And you know, after all that I've thought about it, I've come more and more to the conclusion that I'm not sure that having Tasers is worth the negative impact that it has on police forces in terms of public perception than the practicalities The taser is clearly a highly useful and obviously less lethal option for police officers to draw upon. As a force-multiplier option, even the very threat of its' use has been shown to calm violent offenders and make them less likely to injure members of the public or police officers. How can that be a bad thing? Is this ex chief now stating he would rather face the prospect of having more police officers injured, rather than face occasional criticism of the civil rights lobby? It is well documented in acadamic terms that the Canadian policing culture is different to that of the UK. Rather than assuming that the British police will deploy taser inappropriately at every opportunity, lets give UK police the credit they deserve. We are in culture where our every turn is reported in the media, and the UK is not policed with the action first - questions later culture. UK police officers who are accused of disciplinary offences are hung out to dry in the UK and relentlessly pursued by the IPCC. With this in mind and the increased scrutiny that rolling out taser to non AFO officers, do me a favour and give our police officers the credit that they deserve. As previous posts have said, anyone that will be issued with taser will undergo appropriate training, whatever that entails... Actually, the issue that this post really demonstrates the incidious creep towards pandering to the empty notion of public perception in everything we do is not just confined to the UK. It is about time that we realised that perception and fact are poles apart. Clearly we have a job to do; clearly the public deserve a good service; clearly we want to be seen to be doing a good job, but we should be getting on with the job professionally, not worrying about the opinions of a few outspoken individuals with the ear of the sensationalist press. Remember we are police officers - not PR gurus. We are dealing with the harsh reality of policing on the streets, not sat in air conditioned offices worrying about publicity or approval strategies. Taser is a valuable addition to the armoury that will help police do their job properly. Lets just get on with it and focus on the job in hand, not the spin.
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    Let's talk to gun gangs....

    Tony w - that will be the fluffy bunny cushions - always does it for me. Used to be insomniac and all that ....
  9. This is the headline in the local paper in Manchester. Check out this link: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1064854_lets_talk_to_gun_gangs Interesting or brave philosophy to say the least, and I expect that there may be some even more entertaining comments. I think this one will run and run......ladies and gentlemen seconds out, round 1...lurpaksbone2008-09-01 16:16:39
  10. Interesting. Do you reckon the full time fire bobbies will be on £600 per week? Me neither........
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    Last year I returned to core policing (response) from a specialist post after about several years away. I am still constantly amazed at the amount of left-shouldering that is going on, with the the pathetically repetitive phrase "sorry, its not within our remit." For example, we have a robbery unit who you may think would attend at the scene and progress matters - not the case. I was told that it was not within their remit to attend at the scene of a robbery, they merely wait for all the evidence to be gathered, statements to be taken, cctv to be secured, scene to be preserved etc before they get involved. In fact their involvement was only to arrest once all the evidence has been collated, and to be credited with the detection. Does anyone else have a similar experience of remits getting in the way of common-sense policing?
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    Promotion Boards - Outdated or Not?

    Like most forces, after the OSPRE part 1 & 2 exams have been passed, promotion candidates in my force are required to undergo a further local assessment. This takes the form of an extended interview with 2 senior officers. The questions start with the cliche "give me an example of when..." and are designed around the behavioural competency framework. The rationale behind this is that it previous performance is an accurate indicator of future performance. This in itself is a contentious notion and there are plenty of examples in every walk of life that dispute this premise. Just look at the premier league; how many seemilngly great football managers have landed at a top flight club with a degree of success at a lower level only to fail abysmally. Although some candidates may have acting rank experience, by virtue of the fact that the process is a promotion board where the candidate is aspiring to a higher rank with new responsibilities, clearly for the majority of officers it will be a trip into the unknown. In terms of the questions asked, many will have a neighbourhood policing slant and ask for examples of activities where community liason or consultation has taken place. Great if you work in this area of policing, but in my force, only 12% or so of all officers have this role. How would a detective in a specialist unit provide credible evidence faced with that line of questioning? I would equate this with asking an officer from a response or neighbourhood team a question about the role of an underwater search unit officer. You would not expect either candidates to be able to answer with any degree of credibility. This brings me to the crux of my argument - we should be assessing the candidates ability not experience. All of the armed services assess their officer candidates over several days of practical activities and then follow up with role specific training once they join up. They don't ask questions such as given me an example of when you have led a team of soldiers in battle.. Of course the reference to soldiers could be replaced with any number of civilian equivilants. They assess each individual on their abilities not experience using tried and tested methods. The result is that the standard of leadership in the military is of a significantly higher standard than the police There will be many that will be saying that we are a public service and not an armed force, however lets have a look at the assessment for the HPDS candidates - officers earmarked for high office within the police service. It is a 3 part process that takes place over several days and candidates are put through series of psycometric tests and activities with professional assessors, not just a 45 minute or so interview board with a couple of old sweats! Surely now is the time to change this farcical process and drag the police service into the 21st century.
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    Videotape of Promotion Board

    I failed my PC - SGT promotion board last year and was really gutted about it. I felt that I answered the questions accurately and when I left the room I felt confident that I had given a good account of myself. However when I met the lead assessor who was a rather obnoxious Chief Inspector for face-to-face feedback, I realised that the boards are never as impartial as they should be. One of the first things he came out with was "when I get someone sat in front of me I decide there and then if I want them to work for me as a sergeant or not." Clearly when faced with such a dinosaur-like attitude from someone holding a senior post, a video taped interview would have given me evidence to support an appeal. It is not beyond the wit of man to have an interview room equipped with a couple of cameras, after all video interviews have been commonplace for certain witnesses or suspects for years.