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Showboat

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  1. Hello all, I'm trying to find as many officers who are in the above roles and have a form of colour deficiency. I a appreciate that some may not want to advertise the fact that they have a colour defect but if there are any officers out there who don't mind I would love to hear from you. I am a serving PC with West Midlands and I'm compiling evidence in regards to colour deficiency and the effectiveness of officers in those roles. I am of the opinion that defective colour vision has absolutely no bearing on a persons ability to satisfactorily do those jobs. I have found significant scientific evidence to back this up and I'm looking to put this to the college of policing and occ. health/HR in west mids. I would also love to hear from retired officers with colour defective vision who have performed these roles and their experiences. I'm looking forward to any replies. I will not mention any names/forces if required. This is merely a fact finding exercise at the minute as I'm looking to build evidence. Please PM me with queries/contact details or I can supply you with my email address. Thanks Chris
  2. Hello all, I'm trying to find as many officers who are in the above roles and have a form of colour deficiency. I a appreciate that some may not want to advertise the fact that they have a colour defect but if there are any officers out there who don't mind I would love to hear from you. I am a serving PC with West Midlands and I'm compiling evidence in regards to colour deficiency and the effectiveness of officers in those roles. I am of the opinion that defective colour vision has absolutely no bearing on a persons ability to satisfactorily do those jobs. I have found significant scientific evidence to back this up and I'm looking to put this to the college of policing and occ. health/HR in west mids. I would also love to hear from retired officers with colour defective vision who have performed these roles and their experiences. I'm looking forward to any replies. I will not mention any names/forces if required. This is merely a fact finding exercise at the minute as I'm looking to build evidence. Please PM me with queries/contact details or I can supply you with my email address. Thanks Chris
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    Double standards.

    Don't normally feel the need to rant or start topics but I have to vent my spleen here. When the police f**k up as we tend to do, this Tory government has hauled us over the coals and wrongly or rightly crucified us in the public arena and media. Hillsborough and the miners strike spring to mind immediately. We are the whipping boys/girls and these f@ckers have done everything they can to destroy the British police force. The double standard comes now that these 2 faced, lying, expense swindling scumbags are now attempting to exert control over an enquiry into a f@coming peadophile ring and their party. It makes me want to tear my hair out. Mps are the lowest form of life on this planet. My hatred of them has plumed new depths. They are what is wrong with this country. I can't actually get over what I have read today. I feel better now. Sort of
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    Fitness Test

    I don't see the point of a fitness test. The only reason I can see that you need to be fit is when you're fighting. But when you have laughable pst that literally only equips you to beat up a crisp packet I don't see the point. I just wish they'd either invest is us properly and give us the training (physical) and equipment (gyms etc) to do our jobs as best as we can. But they aren't though so I suppose it's pointless to ask. If they want be to be fit I'll be like a frigging sas commando if they give me the means. If they won't then what you see is what you get. My mum always said you don't get anything for nothing. That's correct unless you're Theresa May or Ginger winsor. Reap what you sow. Brain fart over
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    Bullying

    Sadly, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. I'm not saying your wrong but there is a mechanism in place for a reason. Follow the process and if your complaint is justified someone will pick up on it and sort it out.
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    Bullying

    I'm not a fed rep but I would say you need to do the grievance 1st, as it's the 1st step. That way everything is recorded. If the outcome is not satisfactory then take it to the next step. With the limited info you've given, it seems strange that you wouldn't follow the grievance 1st then see what happens. But then again I don't know the full circs. Just my opinion of course.
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    Bullying

    Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but keep a log if you're not already and gather evidence. Also depending in the nature of the bullying. If there is a criminal offence occurring, report it. Think harassment, public order, assaults etc. just thinking outside the box....
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    Applying for police

    Oh yeah, the things you mentioned look great on your application. If you get in the chances are you'll be doing very little of it. You'll more than likely be attending domestics most if the time. If you think you'll be having a huge impact on your community, running projects and the like, forget it. You'll be fire fighting all day, running from one thing to the next and doing nothing more than putting the wheel back on before it falls off again 30 minutes later. When given the opportunity specialise! That's where the real rewards happen.
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    Applying for police

    Seeing as though you'll be joining now, the vast amount of change that occurred in the last 5 years won't mean much to you (if you join an English force, not sure what's occurred in Scotland). If you join you will meet a lot of negative people who say the jobs crap. Ignore them. Like most things in life you get out what you put in. Obviously you will come up against things that stop you doing what you want and people in your way who are being obstructive for no reason other than they can. Don't get ground down by it. Jump through the hoops, prove people wrong and work hard. Most of the time you'll get what you want if your patient, work hard and get yourself noticed. The best piece of advice I can give is if you get in, make the tea! It's seems small and trivial, but it will endear you to everyone.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    It's a very complexed and poorly understood issue. I will be going through the process soon hopefully so I will let you know how I get on. Obviously I've got to get through all the stages but like I mentioned a bit further up, I've already passed the eye test, I'll update as and when something happens.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Got an update if sorts on this if anyone is interested. I rang OH the other week to book an eye test so I can keep my driving grade. Went to see them and they asked if I wore glasses or had any "issues" so I mentioned my colour vision problem. I was told straight away that it would preclude me from firearms (as I had mentioned it earlier). Anyhow, did the test including the colour plates and was told my eyes were good enough for both traffic and firearms!
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Reasonable Man, yet another example of colour deficient people doing jobs they "shouldn't" be able to do. The whole thing needs looking at.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Bikerider. I was unaware of that. Interestingly standardised testing across Europe and America was introduced in the late 19th century following the lagerlund train crash in Sweden. It was reasoned by an optician at the time that the accident must have been caused because of the drivers colour defect. The strange thing is they didn't know if the driver was colour defective or not it was just a massive assumption because there was confusion over rail signals. Sadly it seems this put a bar on colour defectives from the out set and they have been banned from certain jobs ever since. The driver of the train was never tested as he died in the accident. No other possible causes were examined until very recently (2004) I think when a university looked at the evidence and concluded that it is highly likely that there was another reason for the crash.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Tommo, that's bang on. Thank you.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Zulu, I agree safety is paramount. And if it is proven to me that I am unsafe I will accept it. As it stands no can and has not proven it. What I can't accept Is that I'm not given an opportunity to prove myself. I am in effect guilty without trial.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    ITYO, I get your angle. The job is ignoring a large talent pool potentially of officers more than capable of doing the job but can't because of the old age rules.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    What the.... I think I pressed the button 2 many times. Sorry
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Tommo, up until 2006 I think colour vision defective applicants were precluded entirely although some did slip through the cracks and get in. I'm aware of PCs with your level of service that are CVD and have managed to specialise in firearms and traffic but only by hiding their deficiency. Funnily enough they have never been found out per se and have never had any issues. I'm trying to find more of those people to help me build a case to take to occ health and the college of policing. I myself have a standard driving grade and have done for many years and never had an accident. Also I've never confused the traffic lights in 20 years of driving. I've never arrested the wrong person or used force on the wrong person because of my wonky eyes. Also we now have a much better understanding of how the eyes process information for the brain and the importance of colour as far as I understand it is way down on the list of importance after many other things. Also approximately 10% of the male population is CVD in the uk. What happens if they call a job in and inadvertently get the colour wrong? The opinions on CVD are grossly outdated and misrepresented and not understood by the majority of non CVD people. If you have the inkling type into Google PC Robert Webster vs Hertfordshire police. Extremely eye opening.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Zulu, please don't be offended by what I am about to say but that is the kind of ignorance I'm up against. The term colour blind is incorrect and the lack of understanding of colour deficients is mind boggling. Are you a serving officer? If so you would know that you will never receive the order from anyone to shoot the guy in the green top. The NDM should highlight this to you. It is a very complexed issue that can not be covered on a forum. The simplest way to highlight how I see things would be this. We can both watch the same film and enjoy it in the exact same way. We can talk about it after and we will both see the same film and enjoy it in the same way. I will just see it slightly differently to you. I can see colours (not black and white), I just see them differently. If you would like to learn more go to Cvdpa.com. It's a site about colour deficient pilots but if you go to the further reading section colour deficiency is explained quite clearly there. Hopefully that will make things more understandable or you. Again please don't get upset with my reply. It's not personal.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Just to clarify, I've spoken to the force dr in my area. He returned the official line. I've spoken to the relevant departmental inspectors, who again quoted the official line. I got in touch with the college of policing who claimed colour deficients pose a risk under the ECHR (right to life) and evidence giving, to which a stated case Webster vs CC Hertfordshire disproves. I spoke with a professor who's study is oft quoted by the college (done for PSNI) who originally quoted her original verdict but after talking with me agreed that actually no work at all, ever had been done on colour vision and policing. I've spoken with people in Australia who have had laws changed over there in relation to colour deficients and there are stated cases there as well as scientific research for NASA in my favour. In certain parts of the world I can fly a 747, take part in a space mission, be a advanced grade driver and carry a firearm but here I can't. And I'm not talking about undeveloped countries. There is a massive flaw in the system and it's currently discriminatory against a large proportion of people. I could talk about this for hours and provide information that disproves the official line from every angle. All I'm doing here is trying to rally numbers.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Already done. The fed can't/won't help. Their position is they would only step in if an application was made, refused and then challenged. Even then if the job said they were happy with the standard in place the fed (in their words) said the challenge would be dead in the water.
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    I'm sure that is the case too but out of sight out of mind!
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    Colour vision and firearms/traffic

    Bumping this up in the hope someone actually responds! I have started a blog which I can share with interested parties.