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    First Jobs

    I worked in the compliance department of Alliance & Leicester. Very, very dull.
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    PCSO's wife

    Brutus, I applaud you for resisting the widespread dumbing-down this country is facing!
  3. A child is unlikely to get much of a punishment, if they were even charged. A licencee could lose their licence, yes.
  4. The gain would be the alcohol obtained, would it not? Dishonest - Ghosh - yes Representation - tendering the card False - as to age Intent to gain - obtain alcohol = fraud The penalty is dependant on the circumstances.
  5. Indy is a prolific contributor on US police sites (if it's the same Indy I'm aware of).
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    Number plate sprays

    Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001, Reg 11(1): No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters. Not to mention you could try perverting the course of justice!
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    I'm glad it's also against the law for a CSO to pretend they have more powers than they actually do
  8. Parks Police are constables only within their jurisdiction, ie the parks they police. So, saying that they have the same powers as an HO officer is wrong, in as much as those powers are non-existant anywhere but within their jurisdiction. Saying "a constable is a constable" isn't the whole story. One has to look at the legislation they were appointed under in order to understand exactly what sort of constable they are (and consequently what jurisdiction they have). Constables can be appointed under the Police Act 1996, the British Transport Commission Act 1949 (BTP), the Ministry of Defence Police Act 1987 (MDP) and so on and so forth, each with differing jurisdictions and minor differences in powers. Addressing an earlier point, HMC&E (now HM Revenue and Customs) did not get their powers of arrest from PACE as statutory undertakers. PACE only references statutory undertakers with reference to a specific power of search for stolen articles leaving an undertaking. HMRC officers obtain their powers of arrest from the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979 and earlier Revenue Acts prior to this. PACE is only applied to HMRC for functions such as custody, production orders and the like. As far as I know, no security guards have ever had police powers or anything like them. The fact that guards used to carry batons (in fact truncheons) was purely because there had, up to that point, been no court case to say they couldn't. Once a court decided such practices fell foul of the offensive weapons laws it was stopped. Nothing to do with a removal of (non-existant) police powers or the Labour goverment. Personally, I am in favour of an American system whereby all police officers have to undergo certain mandated training before they can be appointed. This would weed out all these quasi-police forces appointing (technically) constables under very old legislation. What it would do to the special constabulary is another matter (probably professionalise it). I'd also like to see all police officers be appointed under one Act and have a common set of jurisdictions and powers. But that's another matter.
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    M, You can't go to prison for impersonating a PC as the maximum sentence is a fine. As is the sentence for inpersonating a CSO. The maximum sentence for burglary of a dwelling is 14 years. So I don't think the artifice burglar will care either way! The police have as much power to prevent people impersonating a CSO as they do a PC. It's against the law.
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    If one was to go through the trouble of getting 99% of a police uniform together then one may as well impersonate a PC. If a person is intent on an artifice burglary I don't think a small fine for impersonating a PC/CSO will deter them! POCA2007-11-30 22:16:12
  11. Of course, that ruling only applies in Northern Ireland.
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    They'll usually carry the same form of ID as other police staff, which may or may not identify them as a CSO. It is an offence to impersonate one (though, why would you?)
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    Specials used to have the powers of a constable only in their own force area and any adjoining forces. They now have the same powers and the same jurisdiction as regular constables (ie England & Wales).
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    CSOs are not "members of a police force" as this has a quite narrow meaning within the terms of the Police Act 1996 and means only those regular constables appointed to the force. Hence why SCs are mentioned separately. Similarly, their title does not have the word "police" in it as the Police Reform Act 2002 calls them "Community support officers".