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  1. OldAfricaHand

    Any New Direct Entry Detective Trainees on here

    I wonder what your motivation is for joining the Police if you are turned down for a Detective position , are offered a uniformed position instead but are now uncertain whether uniform is an option you want to pursue. Being a Police Officer - in whatever position - is an all-encompassing life not just a job that works regular hours. Perhaps like my icon, I am a bit of a dinosaur but some time / experience in uniform could only make you a better detective.
  2. OldAfricaHand

    GMP V MET (I am a currently serving officer)

    As an outside observer and a Mancunian, I would suggest that there are parts of Manchester and Salford, particularly, that are as rough and ready as any part of the Met. Having served in Paddington and Kilburn (albeit many years ago), they are certainly no different - very diverse populations and related crime - to inner city and peri-urban areas in Manchester in terms of diversity, general attitudes of population etc. Gun and knife crime is very prevalent and drugs abound and some of the worse cases of sexual grooming appear to have happened in Rochdale and surrounding areas. In Salford, there is a core of scallywags who think themselves "gangsters" and even a few middle-aged dickheads who think they are "Mister Big" - they are neither smart nor agile enough to be ahead in their game. Sadly (and Zulu' will hopefully forgive my comment) long gone are the days when if you were a scallywag in Manchester or Salford, you might meet a real "Mister Big" a 6 foot copper who would give you a pasting if you stepped out of line. The old ways were often the best As far as Manchester is concerned as a city - it is vibrant, the people are down-to-earth and generally friendly (even to Southern Jessies) and there is so much close at hand - great coastlines - west and east, amazing countryside, and Londoners can even get to the city in about 2 hours by train. If you're a sports fan, there's a lot of football and rugby around and cricket in the summer. I live 6,000 miles away but have to come home once a year to get my fill of Manchester - it's never enough but keeps me going. I hope you have a successful career whatever route you decide. Cheers (and Happy New Year to everyone on the Forum)
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    In this part of the world it is almost unheard of for drivers to follow the practice - gear in neutral, hand-brake on at traffic lights (called "robots" in most southern African countries). Drivers tend to keep their foot on the brake but, even then, when the lights change there are always delays - simply because they are not observant and do not watch for the signals changing. Very frustrating but not much that can be done as driving "instructors" teach this way of driving (many driving instructors are "combi" (12 seat mini-bus taxis that ply a particular route) drivers and their driving is generally atrocious and many people are killed each year in combi accidents.
  4. OldAfricaHand

    Hillsborough Verdict

    Not at all surprised. As we all know, the Liverpool supporters were not in any way responsible for the events that happened that day. There was no drunkeness nor rowdy behaviour and the responsibility must fall on one man - the Police Officer in command. Someone has to be hung out to dry to appease the families and justify more than UKP 90 millions being spent on investigations. It seems Mr Dukinfield was acquitted after a private prosecution some years ago. If he is acquitted of these new charges, will the CPS (in the tradition of that paragon of justice Tony Bliar) just re-frame the charges until some jury or other finds him guilty to satisfy the baying masses of Liverpudlians!
  5. OldAfricaHand

    Manchester attack

    I am posting a second message because I did not want to tarnish Elaine's memory with any other remarks. However, I think the time has come for firm action to be taken against the threat-within that exists in many of our big cities. In the short term, all immigration of young men, that is anyone who claims to be from 12 to 35, from Muslim countries must be halted until we can get a grip on the situation. Those on the watch-lists need to be dealt with - if they are not born in UK, they should be removed to their home country immediately - no appeals, no false-flag human rights crap. Remember, this current suicide scrote was born in UK of a Libyan father who himself was an Al Qaeda activist who got UK refugee status on the basis that he opposed Qaddafi; he's now back there working for the police in one of the Islamist stronghold (but even they don't trust him as he has been arrested by them along with his other son). Those born in UK should be removed if they are of foreign parentage. If they are not they must be screened, tagged and subject to tight curfews and restrictions on travel outside their home. At the same time, all mosques must be subject to review - any that have even a hint of extremist views needs to be told that they must remove the extremists or be closed. This isn't an attack on Islam because the perversion of extremism isn't found in the normal interpretation of the Koran nor the teachings of their prophet. This sounds draconian and "not the British way" - well, so be it, It isn't the British way to allow our children to be murdered because of a perverted ideology and idly standby whilst the perpetrators look for more opportunities to harm the country and its people. This situation has been developing for some time; now is the time to stamp down very hard and remove the rot. this can be followed by more efforts to integrate all children into a non-religious education system where rights go along side-by-side with responsibilities and loyalty.
  6. OldAfricaHand

    Manchester attack

    The murdered officer has been named as DC Elaine McIver, a Cheshire officer. Her husband has been critically injured and their two children also injured - although it seems not critically. There are really no words that can adequately express the sorrow and despair that will be felt by so many at this loss and the family's situation. May Elaine's soul Rest In Peace and let us hope that her husband and children recover. My sympathy to all their family, their friends and Elaine's colleagues.
  7. OldAfricaHand

    Manchester attack

    I just got back last weekend from two weeks at home in Manchester. The area around the Arena is very familiar to me and i was round and about there a few times during my stay. I spent much of yesterday making sure my family and friends were safe; fortunately, they were. As Zulu' said, Manchester is a strong city; it is also a very diverse city and i am always heartened when I hear a broad Manc' accent spoken by someone who looks Asian, Chinese, African or from some other part of the globe - somehow, it seems to show the city we are - very international with historic ties to many places and a deep history of social justice and innovation - Emmeline Pankhust (a great x 4 relation) - a great emancipator, Tom Kilburn, Tommy Flowers and Alan Turing - the three leading lights in the development of the world's first computers; Messrs Rolls and Royce, A V Roe and many engineers who led the world; not forgetting our sport - Man United and Man City (not forgetting our most heroic foreign player - Bert Trautmann, a German former PoW who played the last 20 minutes of the 1956 Cup Final with a broken neck). That's the city we Mancs are proud to call home. To the families and friends of those killed or injured no words will ever put right their loss and hurt. How unfair that they should suffer because of the warped ideology of a few. For a family to be injured and also lose their Mum, an off-duty Police Officer, and for two Polish sisters to lose their parents seems incomprehensible. May they all Rest In Peace and families eventually be able to remember only the good times with their loved ones. GMP seem to be on top of the situation - arrests have also been made in Libya (the suicide bomber's brother and father). perhaps this atrocity could have been prevented if adequate resources were available - we will probably never know. What was obvious to me was that however slim the resources, on the night as people fled from the scene, men and women from GMP were running towards the unknown to provide whatever aid they could and uphold their oath of office.For that we can be very thankful and for the ambulance and fire crews and the NHS teams who are still working on some of the worst injuries. Manchester aand UK are at their best when backs are against the wall.
  8. I guess it is a nice gesture but, if the team is three officers covering four hospitals, it seems nothing more than a gesture. A lot of the aggravation particularly in A&E departments comes out-of-hours; so such a small team can really do little unless they are on-duty at the time. In the past, a number of Met divisions put Specials' patrols at hospitals during critical times - late Friday and Saturday evenings when drunkenness, assaults etc caused A&E staff particular problems. This was useful and ensured a dedicated presence that provided reassurance - that happens when action is taken as problems arise!
  9. Zulu 'The theory is that you only pay for the time you actually use the vehicle although, inevitably, the overhead costs are embedded in the hourly usage rate. Also, the cost per mile should be significantly cheaper than the mileage rate that is paid to casual car-users who use their own vehicles for business purposes. However, the down side might be that cars may not always be available when you want them. Maybe it will catch-on but I certainly feel uncomfortable about it unless it can be shown to save money which can then be spent on additional policing resources!
  10. OldAfricaHand

    UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    But I am sure you would still be a "key witness"- not least because you continue to be in the policing environment?
  11. OldAfricaHand

    Beggars Belief

    RM I'm sure you had the makings of a reasonable man when you were 18 and this was noted! If you know what you are looking for, you can see the seeds of maturity in an 18 year-old and make a judgement based on a range of information gained during a selection process. My worry today is that many interviewers are not hard-nosed - they are too afraid of "upsetting" candidates. But that'sjust a view based on seeing some folk in action and trying to teach effective interviewing skills.
  12. OldAfricaHand

    Beggars Belief

    Zulu' To be frank, I think references are worthless unless they are properly examined - in the case of candidates for entry to any Police position (warranted or not), all referees should be visited and examined on their assessment of the individual (I wouldn't do this until the final stage when someone is seriously being considered for appointment). This used to happen - I know for certain that when I joined the Met Specials my three referees were personally interviewed by the then Manchester City Police. One was my former school headmaster who said I was unlikely to stick at it as my attention was quickly diverted - I saw this and the other referees' comments just after I received the first bar to my LS&GC medal (our Regular Liaison Inspector had a sense of the ironic in showing me the headmaster's comments). To get back to the references issue - no-one gives a person as a referee unless they think they will give a good reference. I have done maybe 20+ referee visits and only once did someone suggest that the subject individual might be unsuitable. A lot of background checking these days is done on-line - social-media is a potential mine of information about attitudes, opinions, acquaintances etc but you cannot beat a face-to-face interview with someone who knows the candidate! One way or another, these individuals were either very lucky or "love" made them irrational .............. I'm a cynic - so I think the seeds of dishonesty and poor character were there all the time - they just weren't identified for whatever reason!
  13. OldAfricaHand

    Beggars Belief

    When I read this I was amazed at the ridiculously light sentence they both received. Apart from the multiple offences they both committed, their victim lost his job and his driving licence for two months - and I dare say, he has had to suffer a lot of trauma in just dealing with what these two characters have put him through. So, to me, a custodial sentence more akin to a minimum of 5 years would have been appropriate with an associated order to pay compensation to the victim. On the wider issue, how the hell did these two get through the selection process; they do not appear to have any countervailing qualifications or attributes ffor the job; so presumably they must have reached some reasonable standard - or did they?
  14. OldAfricaHand

    Marine conviction overturned.

    From the information that is now coming to light - no assessment made of his mental health, suppressed evidence of the environment and the situation in his particular duty location, barring a senior RM officer who was critical of the local command and supervision, and a trial by his "peers" who were not actually anything like his peers - three of the panel being HQ RN officers not operational RM officers - suggests to me that justice could not have been at the forefront of the mind of the Military Prosecuting Authority. Perhaps they do training attachments with the CPS. It is difficult to defend someone who is intent on murder but all the circumstances suggest that any other service person might have done the same in those circumstances when they were under extreme pressure and had been badly let-down by their superiors - having seen pictures of the checkpoint that C/Sgt Blackman commanded, it was almost undefendable - low walls, no cover except sweltering hot metal containers, no toilet facilities and no defences again mortars, RPGs, not grenades / IEDs. I am with Frederick Forsyth when he suggests that someone needs to investigate not just the court process but also the chain-of-command. I was amused to see the PM say that the MoD have been supporting the Blackmans throughout the trial and appeal - what an absolute load of b#ll#cks. I rarely use this sort of profanity but this case is definitely an exception where only such a word can describe what was said! :-(
  15. OldAfricaHand

    Senior Police Woman Suspended

    It seems from reports in the media that ACC Sutcliffe has been "seconded" to Oldham council to participate in a project looking at inter-agency working across the public sector. Apparently, she brings "enormous experience" to her new role, which could, of course, be effectively undertaken by a much more junior officer with inter-agency working experience and who might benefit from the exposure to a "strategic project". I wouldn't be at all surprised if at the end of the six months project, should she meet all the necessary conditions, she will retire on a decent pension.