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  1. 2 points
    When I joined, over 50 years ago, the height limit for most police forces in the UK was around 5'10'' with 2 or 3 requiring candidates to be 6'0''. It was necessary in those days for police officers to be large persons as we lacked the excellent equipment which today's officers are issued with to defend themselves or summon assistance quickly and frequently had to depend on our physical prowess to carry out certain aspects of policing. However, things have moved on and given the kit which today's officers are issued, physical prowess and appearance are not as necessary as they were at one time. I see many officers on the streets today who are les than your 5'8''. Good luck.'
  2. 2 points
    Some forces offer direct entry to become a DC but most current PCs are very cynical about that route. Most forces still expect new recruits to work on a response shift, neighbourhood or local investigation unit for at least two years whilst they build experience before applying to be a DC, but some forces such as the Met are struggling to fill DC roles so their attitude is different. Recruitment takes as long as it takes and can vary tremendously. My experience was good with the whole process from attending a recruitment night to being attested taking 12 months but I trained with people who had taken 2 years for the same process. Tightened budgets have also contributed to a start/stop long winded process nowadays. There were loads of steps for my recruitment from attending an open evening, taking a simple test, passing the paper sift (application form), medical, eyesight test, fitness test, assessment centre, vetting, and a final interview. You only get paid as a PC once you start work and also watch out for some forces which pay probationers different rates depending on whether they have previous police experience or not, although everyone moves to the same pay point after 6 months. An assessment centre course would be a good idea as the police assessment centre is nothing like any other assessment centre I have had experience of. Direct entry to Inspector is another very diversive topic just like direct entry DCs and again it is not popular among the rank and file.
  3. 2 points
    No matter what the truth of this issue, or whether it will prove good or bad, I have no doubt that money is at the root of the matter. Due to the fincncial situation in which our nation finds itself, cuts in the amounts of cash given to all parts of the public sector have to be made and it appears that the Poilce Service is not to be excluded from these strictures. While sympathising with HMG in its financial predicament I cannot but think that cutting the finances of the Police Service will, in the long term, be a false economy as policing will gradually become increasingly erodied and lawlessness will gradually increase with the inevitable costs. As I have said before, HMG should give priority to its principal functions of protecting the country and its inhabitants and exclude polcing from the worst parts of cuts on the public sector.
  4. 1 point
    Hi all, Im a serving PC with 5 years in, I was a special before for 2 years and I recently transferred out of a city force to a county force. Just after a bit of advice and for a place to discuss my thoughts on the job currently. I know theres been a lot of very simiar posts so I hope this isnt another depressing read for everyone and will happily take any ideas/advice on board, Im on the verge of walking out the door with the police, Im in the process of looking for another job and taking an IT course next month as a start. I began as a special in a county force in 07 whilst at college as literally just out of curiousity because I fancied some voluntary work and couldn't join the RNLI because I lived too far away. No family members have been in the police etc. Like most specials I got a real bug and absolutely loved every second, it was fun, I learned a lot of skills and techniques from people in the police and especially from regular PC's. Morale was good and being a PC was a very sought after thing for anybody, espcially specials. I finished college and joined as a regular in a city force in 09. What I then experienced seemed to just go downhill from the start, tutorship was good due to a great sgt but then after our intake got moved around neighbourhood and town centre teams, only 4 months later to start on response when there was a space. Response seemed to be an absolute mess of a unit, 12 hour shift pattern with no crossover period so always off late, not enough broken down, knackered vehicles to go around, cheap useless kit, a massive amount of constant watches, crime scenes, hospital guards, front desk etc that need covering (not just me, a lot of new/non drivers used whenever needed), even when you would be out in a car, you would have little or no time to be proactive as you would be a slave to the control room to meet call times. All these bits aside my main gripe was that what I hoped was going to be a fun, exciting, well worked streamline policing system was actually a very long, drawn out backwards set of procedures that were immensly frustrating. Endless pointless paperwork and reports to be filled out, paper statements that to do properly, can take ages, queuing for hours and hours in custody to book prisoners in only to be met by a sgt that doesnt want to be there, nearly any prisoner with an issue to be either put on a constant or HG, eventually going up and pleeding with the Case unit to take on your prisoner, any issues or items missing then it would be straight back to you to deal with, waiting hours for solicitors and then hours on the phone to CPS for a decision. A simple shoplifter could take all day. I also found that I realised that what I was actually dealing with day in day out was virtually all absolute rubbish, facebook arguments, ridiculous petty assaults or thefts, drunken people that are treated as if they are cancer patients, faked mental health and welfare checks by the bucket load for people that have no self responsibilty. And a huge list of other calls that you know are made up just to use the police as leverage to get what they want. For every 1 good call you had 50 bad ones. Answering and working on britains culture of expectancy was absolutely infuriating. Then all of that work for someone to get a pointless fine, a day served or the whole thing thrown out of court. A suspect spat in my face once and I was due to receive £50 compensation after a length court case on rest days. A few months passed with no word and I finally received a cheque for 86p. On questioning this with the courts they told me the suspect was paying five other victims through his benefits and this was what I was due to receive every month for the best part of 5 years. I told them not to insult me any further, give the payments to charity and I put the phone down This I think was the turning point where I lost a lot of faith in the job and the policing system. Its incredibly difficult to do proper investigations and interviews and care about them when you know someone has made it up or it wont go anywhere or solve anything, naturally you just dont put any real passion or care into it and slowly officers just end up doing the minimum required because of this. Little miss miggins doesnt get burgled as often as I hoped, as strange as that sounds. And even if she did get burgled, the chance of you locking up that guy for a long time and serving justice is pretty remote. On a positive note I was heavily involved in the Riots in 2011 which I am still very proud of. I still think of that as the pinnacle of my policing career and look at my commendation with a lot of pride and satisfaction. That was real policing and why I joined. I did a 27 hour shift on the Monday (8th of August) and would happily do it again tomorrow. I moved to a private unit for 18 months after that which was for my personal life where it was a lot quieter and our work levels were low. I enjoyed this and then realised the reason I was enjoying it was because I wasnt actually doing much police work so I started to question whether a future in the police was for me. I thought about specilazing or promotion, but didnt believe that specialist units like firearms were supported in their use of force and their purpose and that promotion wasn't going to solve anything. Then enters the budget/pension cuts/staff and resources cut/officers getting kicked out at the drop of hat or even put in prison for minor offences/low morale and all the other politics that we've discussed on here. As a last ditch effort I transferred to a county force (different than the first force) last year, hoping the grass was greener. Where the force I work for now was a nice change to what I experienced before and a few of my desires have been answered (better vehicles/kit and courses), new ones have arose, staffing is ridiculously low which makes leave requests pointless and workloads are through the roof. I went to a 20 man fight the other day with just one other, nearest back up was 20 minutes away, whereas Ive seen and been in a lot worse in terms of incidents, this is just an example of how its impossible to do an effective job whilst there. This and the policing system as described above is exactly the same with the same frustrations, I sometimes wonder what job I was doing as a special all those years ago. I also donated bone marrow for a cancer patient a few months ago which was wasn't supported. I had to take a period of unpaid leave leading up to it and returned to work just three days after the procedure because they wouldnt authorise any more unpaid leave due to staffing. I had the option of calling in sick but felt that I shouldnt have to take the hit for something as charitable and as noble as this. Ironic that I actually signed up for the bone marrow charity at a police function do. I did play rugby for my current force and hoped to have trials for the national police team but leave and time off for games isnt supported any more, so its annual or no game. So here I am thinking enough is enough and that I honestly get very little enjoyment out of what I do. I always turn up for work, give my all and I believe Im a well respected officer who doesnt shy away from anything so what more can I ask from myself? My questions are that, is there anyone that has felt this way? Have you been in my position but change your thought process and things have worked out for the best? Or should I just cut my losses and leave while im young enough to learn another trade. Any advice comments you could give would be greatly appreciated If you've made it to the bottom of this page, thank you very much for staying with it. Id also like to add that I hope I haven't offended anyone by what Ive said, If you are a serving PC, Its not my intention to insult or discredit what you may really enjoy, be very proud of and what you have worked incredibly hard to achieve over your years of service. Also if it is your asperation to join, please don't feel as if this is taking anything away from what you aspire to do. Cheers all
  5. 1 point
    Relax, it should be no problem at all. Hope everything goes alright for you.
  6. 1 point
    it really depends what he is looking for. If he is looking for a Midsummer Murders or Morse style murder mystery then it would be spot on but if he is trying to write a realistic police procedural then he is miles away from anything realistic.
  7. 1 point
    It will always be a black mark pointing towards irresponsibility, and a lot depends on the circumstances but, each application is dealt with on its merits and this varies from Force to Force. The conviction and points will always be on record at DVLA. You will have to show that you have matured and reformed over the last few years. Good luck anyway.
  8. 1 point
    The operation-stalling attack was kept under control by the force's Cyber Crime Unit. Left to right: Special Sergeant and Lead on Cyber Specials, Michael Moore, Nick Carver and Special Constabulary Chief Officer, Mark Kendrew. Special Constables who helped the NHS during the summer’s cyber-attack have been recognised at a ceremony celebrating their work. The group from Hertfordshire Constabulary’s Cyber Crime Unit lent their skills and support to the Lister Hospital in Stevenage. Their work was praised by Chief Constable Charlie Hall and the CEO of the East and North Hertfordshire NHS Trust, Nick Carver. Mr Carver said input from the specials meant patients were not as adversely affected by the cyber-attack in Hertfordshire. Their award was part of a dedicated Employer Supported Policing (ESP) event at Police Headquarters. CC Hall said: “We are focused on protecting vulnerable people and need to adapt our workforce to help investigate such crimes –volunteers with the different skills we require can help. “We want to continue the conversation with you and your organisations to see how we can work to encourage your staff to give up their time to come and help us. The value we give back to you will help your staff, your businesses and society as a result." He added. There are currently 25 organisations signed up to the ESP scheme in Hertfordshire, including Tesco, Which?, McMullen Brewery and Sons and local district and borough councils. View on Police Oracle
  9. 1 point
    She's right you know, 'A Downing Street source said that a typical police officer joining the force on a £23,259 salary in 2010 would have taken home £17,972 after deductions for tax and national insurance. After seven years' service, the same officer would have a salary of at least £35,478. This would give a take-home pay of £27,405 after tax and NI contributions - an increase of £9,433, equivalent to 32% more than required to keep up with inflation.' So the 4% of officers who joined in 2010 would have had such a rise, if they all remained employed as officers. By the similar calculations an MP's salary has increased by 127% over the same period if you compare the salary of an MP in April 2010 to their salary now if they had become PM. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. 1 point
    The positive was catching criminals in the act usually on nights .Having no bosses around enthused me no end! Big down side was 2004 CPS became involved in charging decisions this meant a 45 minute shoplifting job became a 3 day nightmare cps were shyte and spoiled everything.The assaults in my case were horrendous and caused me to leave 9 months early with ptsd. Now though its the internal scrutiny of PSD and the IPCC .these people have eteral time to scrutinise everything you do with the agenda they want you in jail.If my adult kids wanted to do what you are doing I would talk them out of it! but good luck!
  11. 1 point
    I worked with recruits 05-08 and so long as you had no ccjs or being declared bankrupt you should be OK.Missing a few credit card / mortgage payments over the years didn't seem to matter.One lad had 70K gambling debts but he had to go when we found out.As long as your finances or OK you should be ok. Go to clearscore for a free monthly credit check.The main problem was probationers thinking they had won the lottery by being accepted as a cop and then getting into megadebt once in, cars,houses,holidays of a lifetime every year etc and then deciding policing wasnt for them.
  12. 1 point
    Most people with a basic level of fitness will cope with the fitness test but you can download a bleep test from the www if you want to practice. I'm not sure what I can suggest to help with the push/pull but again the target for that isn't high and unless your technique fails you it is easy to pass. Some forces run free 1/2 assessment centre course so its worth asking the force you are applying for or failing that google police assessment centre courses. At the moment you don't need any specific level of qualifications to join the police although that is going to change in the near future.
  13. 1 point
    Most probationers start on response then move on from there. I was on a cohort of about 22 people and I think that about 18 or 19 went straight onto response to be tutored and even those who were tutored in a neighbourhood shift moved over to response when they were signed off as independent. Most of the tick box stuff in the SOLAP folder is also easier to do on response than in other departments. I can't remember what SOLAP stands for but it is there to demonstrate your ability to do a range of activities needed in your role, such as arrests, presenting a prisoner to custody, statement taking, dealing with conflict etc etc. Things change though and now in my force students spend time on response and in a local investigation unit getting tutored swapping half way through their 10 week in company period, and remain in that unit for 6 months when they are signed off. I know some people who have never left response in 20 plus years whereas others move on as soon as they can as they hated it so much. I must admit that the novelty of having my baldness, glasses and my similarity to a ladies privates being pointed out constantly for hours on end does get boring sometimes.
  14. 1 point
    Sorry, what do you mean it's not for the police to apportion blame? Whilst I accept we don't play judge and jury, it's a basic police function to investigate collisions and it's something we've become exceptionally poor and very lazy at. To the OP - this isn't the sole responsibility of a solicitor and/or your insurance company, although the latter will be able to give you really sound advice. If you're not happy that this has been properly investigated (and in the circumstances as described I wouldn't be) then you need to take it further. There will be an admin function somewhere within every police force where collisions are recorded - the first thing to do is ask what investigation has taken place.
  15. 1 point
    If you have got such serious reservations now I'd say the job isn't for you and sometimes you have to act on a gut instinct so maybe that is the case now. There's no point going into a job where you can get into serious trouble or have a massive influence on someone's life whilst having second thoughts. I would also have thought that you could get a graduate job in another industry and get paid a lot more than with the police whilst having a lot less tress. I'd also say that although experience of an assessment day can stand you in good stead for other assessments, the police one is very different from just about every other assessment centre I've ever seen, so you may not be able to take too many lessons from it apart from teh ability to deal with the pressure of the day. Good luck whatever you decide.
  16. 1 point
    We are alright now CC says we are covered: In a statement today, Mr Bangham, of the NPCC, said police officers responding to emergencies are covered by legal guidance that shows it is not in the public interest to prosecute them.READ MORE "There are clear exemptions in law for officers in these situations. Together with our colleagues in the fire and ambulance services we are deeply proud to be a service that reacts first to protect the public from danger. “Current guidance from the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Crown Prosecution Service already recognises that it is unlikely to be in the public interest to prosecute officers for driving offences while they are responding to emergency calls. "There have been very few incidents in which an officer responding to emergency has been prosecuted or had misconduct charges brought against them." Not for these people……..so why did the guidance not cover them & how can we trust what you say Mr Bangham? PC James Holden was charged PC Vaughan Lowe was charged Adam Steventon was charged PC Lee Drake was found guilty
  17. 1 point
    Fed subs & Insur. policy if required. I am told many are taking £1250 home……………….another 2 probationers have left after 20 weeks in the job on our District. Don't know what is going wrong but seemingly there are 30% leaving within the first year.
  18. 1 point
    Based on the Information she had at the time - bearing mind she had only taken over the reigns 20 mins before - her decision making was found to be faultless. The result was bad but that's another matter. We often hear, and read on here, about junior officers who make decisions and then are castigated by the 'nine o'clock jury' who have the luxury of time and hindsight to find fault. Ms Dick was subjected to the greatest possible scrutiny and found to be blameless for her decision making. Quite rightly her career has not been halted by the end result of that decision being unfortunate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  19. 1 point
    For me i Would say the process of becoming a Special was a lot easier than becoming a regular officer (hence I am still trying to become one). However it all depends if you have the relevant experience and are able to answer the interview questions well enough to pass the interview. I believe people should have to be Specials before they become regular officers anyway, It teaches you more about what the role is about and it's not everything you see on Tv, and by been a special you can see if they role of a regular officer would be ideal for you.
  20. 1 point
    Welcome to Police UK Forum UKDale :)
  21. 1 point
    Let's not forget that there are hundreds just like him, who took Policing seriously and put protecting and serving the public as the first priority. The public owe so much to people like him.
  22. 1 point
    A group for male friends were talking about going on a fishing trip the next day, as it was Saturday. Fred asked his wife if he could go, she replied, ''No, I have jobs for you to do''. They all took the mickey, but decided to go without him. When the group arrived at the Camp Site, by the lake, Fred was already there with his tent set up, his rod and line set up, and a few cans of beer by his side. They were all surprised to see Fred and asked him how he had managed to get away for the fishing trip. ''Well '' said Fred, ''I was sitting watching TV, when my wife stepped infront of me wearing this see through negligee and said, ''Take me to the bed room and tie me to the bed, and do what ever you want''. Fred said, ''So here I am''.
  23. 1 point
    How do you keep blonde Essex Girl busy for hours. Write 'please turn over' on both sides of a piece of paper.
  24. 1 point
    GND, Mugabe couldn't make a much worse job of the economy as Gollum and Darling have done.
  25. 1 point
    Retirement is the only shiftpattern I can recommened.