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  1. 5 points
    I just got back last weekend from two weeks at home in Manchester. The area around the Arena is very familiar to me and i was round and about there a few times during my stay. I spent much of yesterday making sure my family and friends were safe; fortunately, they were. As Zulu' said, Manchester is a strong city; it is also a very diverse city and i am always heartened when I hear a broad Manc' accent spoken by someone who looks Asian, Chinese, African or from some other part of the globe - somehow, it seems to show the city we are - very international with historic ties to many places and a deep history of social justice and innovation - Emmeline Pankhust (a great x 4 relation) - a great emancipator, Tom Kilburn, Tommy Flowers and Alan Turing - the three leading lights in the development of the world's first computers; Messrs Rolls and Royce, A V Roe and many engineers who led the world; not forgetting our sport - Man United and Man City (not forgetting our most heroic foreign player - Bert Trautmann, a German former PoW who played the last 20 minutes of the 1956 Cup Final with a broken neck). That's the city we Mancs are proud to call home. To the families and friends of those killed or injured no words will ever put right their loss and hurt. How unfair that they should suffer because of the warped ideology of a few. For a family to be injured and also lose their Mum, an off-duty Police Officer, and for two Polish sisters to lose their parents seems incomprehensible. May they all Rest In Peace and families eventually be able to remember only the good times with their loved ones. GMP seem to be on top of the situation - arrests have also been made in Libya (the suicide bomber's brother and father). perhaps this atrocity could have been prevented if adequate resources were available - we will probably never know. What was obvious to me was that however slim the resources, on the night as people fled from the scene, men and women from GMP were running towards the unknown to provide whatever aid they could and uphold their oath of office.For that we can be very thankful and for the ambulance and fire crews and the NHS teams who are still working on some of the worst injuries. Manchester aand UK are at their best when backs are against the wall.
  2. 4 points
    I am posting a second message because I did not want to tarnish Elaine's memory with any other remarks. However, I think the time has come for firm action to be taken against the threat-within that exists in many of our big cities. In the short term, all immigration of young men, that is anyone who claims to be from 12 to 35, from Muslim countries must be halted until we can get a grip on the situation. Those on the watch-lists need to be dealt with - if they are not born in UK, they should be removed to their home country immediately - no appeals, no false-flag human rights crap. Remember, this current suicide scrote was born in UK of a Libyan father who himself was an Al Qaeda activist who got UK refugee status on the basis that he opposed Qaddafi; he's now back there working for the police in one of the Islamist stronghold (but even they don't trust him as he has been arrested by them along with his other son). Those born in UK should be removed if they are of foreign parentage. If they are not they must be screened, tagged and subject to tight curfews and restrictions on travel outside their home. At the same time, all mosques must be subject to review - any that have even a hint of extremist views needs to be told that they must remove the extremists or be closed. This isn't an attack on Islam because the perversion of extremism isn't found in the normal interpretation of the Koran nor the teachings of their prophet. This sounds draconian and "not the British way" - well, so be it, It isn't the British way to allow our children to be murdered because of a perverted ideology and idly standby whilst the perpetrators look for more opportunities to harm the country and its people. This situation has been developing for some time; now is the time to stamp down very hard and remove the rot. this can be followed by more efforts to integrate all children into a non-religious education system where rights go along side-by-side with responsibilities and loyalty.
  3. 2 points
    I agree with the previous two posts. I do not think that the families will ever feel that they have some peace and justice, or be satisfied, I do not think that I would be satisfied, but are they seeking their pound of flesh. I find it amazing, still, that true justice has not been identified. They are blaming, quite rightly, just about everyone involved, Police, Ambulance, Sheffield Wednesday, the F.A., everybody except the fans, who have been exonerated completely. I would, wholeheartedly, agree that the Liverpool fans who were victims were the complete innocents in the whole tragedy, but, to exonerate the fans, on the last minute, some who climbed the gates and those who rushed headlong into the back of the already full pens carry no blame whatsoever. That adds to the injustice of the whole tragic incident. It was a culmination of the F.A. selecting a ground which was unsuitable, Sheffield Wednesday for their Ground safety, and the Police for having a person in charge of the game who was not qualified to deal with such an event, and a complete breakdown of the communications surrounding the event and those taking part. You could also proportion blame on those who decided to make pens at football grounds as a form of crowd control after incidents like Heysel. Am I some sad biased football fan, no I have family in Liverpool and Manchester and have attended at Anfield, and Old Trafford in equal number supporting both teams, but would I dare make these comments on Merseyside?
  4. 2 points
    So far as I can see, no matter what decision was taken by the police in relation to this incident, there was a strong potential liklihood that some form of disaster would happen and the police would be held culpable . If the police had not opened the Leppings Lane gate, to admit those supporters who arrived late, the said supporters would almost certainly have gone of the rampage and caused mayhem of a significant kind which would have attracted the opprobrium of the public etc. towards the police for NOT opening the gates and admitting the late arrivals. I remember an almost identical situation n Glasgow many years ago when it was decided not to open the gates and mounted officers had to be deployed to deal with the irate supporters who declined to disperse. Criticism fell upon the police for their actions in doing exactly the opposite of what happened at Hillsborough. It seems that sometimes you just can't win.
  5. 2 points
    Not at all surprised. As we all know, the Liverpool supporters were not in any way responsible for the events that happened that day. There was no drunkeness nor rowdy behaviour and the responsibility must fall on one man - the Police Officer in command. Someone has to be hung out to dry to appease the families and justify more than UKP 90 millions being spent on investigations. It seems Mr Dukinfield was acquitted after a private prosecution some years ago. If he is acquitted of these new charges, will the CPS (in the tradition of that paragon of justice Tony Bliar) just re-frame the charges until some jury or other finds him guilty to satisfy the baying masses of Liverpudlians!
  6. 2 points
    It is a rare opportunity indeed these days. MY first was not a great hit but it started me smoking again, after being stopped for 12 months. Visually I had no problem, as I was told, "Do not think of it as a body, but a piece of meat in a butchers shop. It is a corpse, no feelings but a dead body". I was ok with that as I got the visual impact correct in my mind. However the smell was something that I got completely wrong although, at subsequent P.M.'s it did not affect me because I then knew what to expect. If you want a tip to help with that, get a small jar of "Vick" and smear a very small amount on your nostrils it masks the smell, and that advice was given to me by a pathologist. If you watch and listen you should find it extremely interesting, if he is giving a commentary on what he is doing; showing the sights of a Cardio infarction (Heart attack), or of Cranial haemorrhage (Stroke). If he corpse is of a smoker he/she will show you the condition of the lungs. Non Smoker pink and healthy whereas a smoker will look black and resemble more of a large piece of Coke from a fire. Also prepare yourself for when they use a saw to open the skull, it can be like a dentist drill going through you. There will be many who will leave the room, or even pass out, it is nothing unusual. Hope this does not put you off too much but, hopefully it may prepare you better. Edit, Forgot to mention, the body was once a person so treat the whole process with respect.
  7. 2 points
    Well, according to what I have seen on the news reports, austerity, and from that I assume the drastic cuts in all quarters, is now going to come to an end. We will see if that does indeed to turn out to be the case (let's hope so).
  8. 2 points
    Theres been a recent push in my force to single crew officers, even taser officers. I wouldn't want to be single crewed with a firearm attending routine incidents. It only takes a second to be overpowered and then you have someone pointing your own firearm at you. No thanks.
  9. 2 points
    Our cuts came under Labour, before May, but, to be fair, they have continued under her since. I don't know the figures but the NPA has increased. Labour have never been the friend of the Police Service, and the Conservatives always were pre Winsor. Since then I have noticed that they both have no concern for the Police except trying to gain Political control by PCC's
  10. 2 points
    Of course, it goes without saying, that my condolences are to the families who lost loved ones in the Manchester Arena attack, RIP all those who lost their lives, and I wish a very speedy recovery to all those injured too. Having said all that, I have just seen Sky news, and it was announced that one of those who was killed was a serving police officer. As a retired police officer now, I would also like to say the same to that officer and their family too. On the report that I saw, it did not say whether it was a male or female officer. It matters not. They were killed carrying out their duty, and whether past or present, it could have been any one of us. As I said, RIP.
  11. 2 points
    Totally agree, and if things continue to deteriorate I would hope that HMG give some consideration to internment where appropriate.
  12. 2 points
    It depresses me to say so but, the Government must withdraw the EHRA so that they can deport anyone partaking in terrorism, in any way.
  13. 2 points
    One of the problems with manifestos and policies is that people only think very superficially and never think about the bigger picture. Whilst you might not have heating allowance, other policies that they intend to introduce may well have the effect of making you better off. It seems to be a common misconception with Police officers that the Tories hate the Police and as Labour have said they will recruit another 10,000 Police officers (at varying costs!!) so therefore we will be far better off under Labour. They conveniently seem to forget the fact that to pay for all these extra things Labour are promising, it's going to cost an astonishing extra £75 billion, which quite simply means far heavier taxation. As for what OC mentioned above, I thoroughly agree with. My father is extremely rich, however he gets winter fuel allowance. Why?
  14. 2 points
    The murdered officer has been named as DC Elaine McIver, a Cheshire officer. Her husband has been critically injured and their two children also injured - although it seems not critically. There are really no words that can adequately express the sorrow and despair that will be felt by so many at this loss and the family's situation. May Elaine's soul Rest In Peace and let us hope that her husband and children recover. My sympathy to all their family, their friends and Elaine's colleagues.
  15. 1 point
    Do you have the option for a neighbourhood team? In my force I do keep busy on NPT but it's a lot slower pace. I spend most my time revisiting victims and doing safety plans and crime prevention. There is still an element of responding but not attached to the radio as much. We have two officers working with our team on restricted duties and they tend to do what we do but over the phone. Keeps us out on patrol more doing face to face visits. Not sure what uniform departments you have but might be worth discussing moving teams.
  16. 1 point
    I've not missed the point at all. The case you cite is the one the PFEW raised several years ago. The fact remains the Courts are not log jammed with police drivers facing prosecution for serious driving offences, nor are Forces falling over themselves to ban pursuits. If the case had been taken to the extreme then TPAC (in which I have previously qualified), perhaps the most inherently dangerous set of police tactics you can employ without focusing the crosshairs of a firearm at someone's forehead, would never see the light of day. As I say, I cannot see the issue. If there was one do you not think the IPCC would set up camp outside every remaining RPU garage in the country just waiting for trade?
  17. 1 point
    We must not turn this tragedy into a Political points scoring event. It is a tragedy that should not have happened but we must wait for the evidence to come forward. Emotions are running high but are, wrongly, being fuelled by political motivators. The Emergency services have done a fantastic job and it should be remembered by all that searching the building, finding and retrieving the bodies is a huge task and cannot be unduly hurried. It will be a harrowing time and because of the event, it may be that some of the bodies are not identified, as was the case in the 9/11 in New York. The Forensic experts will do their job but it is a slow meticulous process. The families need support and sympathy, and not to be used.
  18. 1 point
    So true as regards Sturgeon and Salmond and I was also pleased to see Angus Robertson, the odious and unctuous leader of the SNP group at Westminster, losing his seat along with various others in the SNP gang. I agree about Corbyn and his bribery offer to sudents in England and Wales. I read that the annual cost of this would be £12billion and wonder that many young people are so gullible that they would believe Corbyn or accept that such expenditure is sustainable. Again we have talk of profligate spending emanting from the mouths of scocialist politicians who labour (no pun intended) under the misapprehension that money grows on trees. Sadly, it falls easliy on the ears of those who believe what they want to hear. It is the same with all those other issues such as care for the elderly, and the universal payment of Winter Fuel Allowance etc. They are all unsustainable in the long term but few politicians have the courage to tackle them head-on or even make reference to them. Theresa May did so in her manifesto and that honesty was part of the reason for the situation she finds herself in today. Perhaps the lesson is that, if you possess even a modicum of integrity or realism, don't enter politics.
  19. 1 point
    I s[pent all my police service in areas where the Labour Party were politically dominant and with very few exceptions can state that they, and other on the Left, were rarely great fans of the police. I don't think things would change when a current Labour win would have resulted in some if its leadership being people who once wished for the abolition of Special Branch and the disarming of the Police.
  20. 1 point
    From what I can see and hear from serving officers there is much truth in what you say. However, for many years we encouraged the public to telephone us, no matter how trivial the matter, and this message eventually got through and contributes to the amount of heavy calls experienced today. I remember a woman phoning in because she found her budgie dead in its cage and being assured that this was OK when she apologised for taking up police time. Also, when I joined and walked the beat we did not have personal radios and relied on police boxes with flashing lights to keep in contact with the station. By the time we saw the light flashing and phoned in to see what we were wanted for and made our way to the street fight, or whatever. the incident was often over. After we became more mobile we attended incidents more quickly and the public came to expect a speedier response. I think all these things contribute to the situation where it is frequently operationally impossible to deploy regular foot patrols.
  21. 1 point
  22. 1 point
    Owner of property…………….we do not pay out now, changed days.
  23. 1 point
    They are looking for the same qualities in both. The assessment days are slightly different because the assessment day for regulars is a national standard which every home office force must run, where as they tend to do their own thing for specials. But as I said before they want the same qualities in both, so if you can pass one you have a good chance of passing the other. I've done specials, police staff and regulars and they were all very similar, looking for the same skills and qualities.
  24. 1 point
    Let's not forget that there are hundreds just like him, who took Policing seriously and put protecting and serving the public as the first priority. The public owe so much to people like him.
  25. 1 point
    Retirement is the only shiftpattern I can recommened.