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  1. 4 points
    I am not a Police officer but have enough experience of policing and as a junior, middle & senior manager in a number of structured organisations, to know that Direct entry to Police above the level of Constable would be very dangerous. There are very few non-Police managers who will have the breadth of experience that will enable them to take both a strategic and tactical view of policing situations and, at the same time, have the tacit knowledge gained from personal experience, that is essential when making decisions within split-seconds and under pressure. I have a pretty open mind (RM please note ) when it comes to developing people and moving them up in organisations depending on their skills and capabilities. However, a Policing environment is different - the "stakeholders" (sorry about that word) in a policing situation are not just Police Officers but the vast array of the public as individuals or organisations with varying levels of interest. To be able to deal with such interests, a Police Supervisor needs experience in dealing with people often in traumatic / pressured situations. That doesn't often happen in office environments nor even in the retail trade. What might be appropriate is for some senior level Police jobs that do not require warranted powers to be done by non-Police officers but the essence of the British Police Officer on-the-streets is that he/she is experienced, can exercise split-second judgement, can be compassionate and well-versed in the rights and wrongs of the Law and what actions they must take or can exercise with discretion. There might be small numbers of former Armed Forces SNCOs and officers who might be able to bring the necessary tactical / strategic skills & experience but run-of-the-mill civilian managers - sorry, not on!
  2. 4 points
    Mark, I'm sure things vary from force to force but personally I am knackered. Every shift I am playing catch up. Last set of lates I had to stay on until 5am on one of them and 3 on the others just to catch up with my admin(and I don't get overtime). Every current missing person is supposed to be reviewed and taskings added. I am usually covering absences so have a responsibility covering a square mileage you wouldn't believe and I daren't write because the public will read it. Every new missing person has to be risk assessed and if it's high I co-ordinate as SIO. On nights I cover PACE as well, I do all the authorisations for vehicle seizures, over time and SIG markers. I am providing advice to often upward of 6 sergeants. Anything that requires safeguarding I review and ratify in writing what we have and haven't done and in between I deal with my complaints workload. I also have assessments for temporary Sergeants under my supervision to do for their promotion diplomas. While juggling all that I attend anything that sounds griefy, violent, complicated or messy. I review the deaths and decide if it's sus or not and carry the can for anything that goes wrong. I make sure I am seen about in all the nicks so people can doorstep me and am constantly putting out "fires". I am just touching on the tip of the iceberg of what I do and what my responsibilities are. -Every shift I am in 30 minutes to an hour early and off frequently long after all the PC's and my sergeants have gone home. On RD's I am checking emails appealing annual leave refusals and negotiating attachments for courses- If I didn't my inbox would fill up too fast I also stand in the CI/Supts office and pin my ears back and take the heat when a PC or skipper makes a mistake-Where I can I absorb that heat and if they don't need to know my teams don't hear about it. One of the new Inspectors on my rotation regularly went to the gents to throw up because his anxiety levels got so high with the responsibility he was carrying.... When I was a PC I had no idea what the Inspector did and very cushy it looked too. Don't get me wrong I enjoy my role but I/we work hard too. If my team spoke about me the way you've talked about your Insp I would be mortified.... HMS
  3. 4 points
    And I put minds at rest, Chief Cheetah has been a long standing member of the forum communities across the board. Generally participation before the change in forum ownership before this one! It is nice to see that he is part of the new Admin team!
  4. 3 points
    Where have all the old contributors gone to. When the site changed in January I found great difficulty in accessing the forum. I had registered originally with an email address I no longer used because it had been hacked. I could not change my password or anything. It was fortunate that I was able to contact the administrator and Moderators and they managed to sort out my new (Well old secure) email address and for me to set a new password. But where on earth are Quokka, Westie, Itoldyouonce, Cheese, Reasonable Man, GManc,Spider, etc,etc. I have joined one of the sister sites but it appears to be mainly Specials and PCSO's who know everything about everything, whilst, at the same time, knowing nothing. Experience is scorned as a dirty word. There do have to be different opinions, otherwise you would have a sterile environment with every poster saying "Yes I agree" agree, agree. I do hope that the old posters on here have not disappeared for good. Come back we need you. This edit was made after someone clicked "Like" The sister also seems to be very much Met orientated and they seem to work off different rules and even laws than the rest not us Plebs. And before someone replies, I am not anti Met, but there is life north of Watford Gap.
  5. 3 points
    I am not biased against direct entry because I have no right to be. However, as a fairly experienced senior manager across a number of public service-type organisations and 27 years as a Special, I have a view that the complexities and challenges of Policing are such that it would be dangerous to put relatively inexperienced individuals into command positions in potentially difficult situations. I know I need not tell you that the consequences of mistakes in such situations are significant - not just for the individual making the mistake but also others involved in the situation. I do not think that the marginal benefit that some might see from direct entry is worth the trauma and cost that would ensue from an inexperienced direct-entry Inspector making a cock-up simply because they did not have the depth of experience they would have gained if they had joined as a PC and progressed to Inspector through time as a PS.
  6. 3 points
    Just what I wanted to hear. My concerns have been answered, I was going to offer my help to ease the IT issues previously but looks like you have got it covered. Cheers Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  7. 3 points
    The hearing was held in public and some disturbing facts emerged. The Chief Constable was at the event, as a guest, for some event promoting women. he was concerned about the drunken state of his ACC and asked a then female Chief Inspector to see her to her hotel as he was concerned. The ACC then went into a drunken tirade accusing the other of having had breast surgery, and the rest followed on. They were going to deal with it as an internal advice job but then after discussions decided to start discipline proceedings. I think that the whole circumstances showed that the ACC was unfit for her role and I am astounded that the discipline panel recommended that she should not lose her job. It was also a surprise that one of the panel members was Sir Tom Winsor, how and why I do not know. The woman Chief Inspector later transferred to Cumbria on promotion to Superintendent. I wonder if this was an arrangement to pacify her and smooth things over. As the Chief was a guest at the event his overnight accommodation and everything else was a "freebie". I would like to know who paid for this Women's event and question the decision of the Chief Constable to accept a "Freebie". I am afraid that anything else, other than dismissal, would be unacceptable.
  8. 3 points
    I think the problem is in the large print:- He tried to cover it up!!!! Blatant dishonesty, not what we or the service really want! If he'd put his hands up and admitted the mistake, the worst he could have faced was a bill for correcting the error.
  9. 3 points
    You're right, I apologise for being undemocratic about the whole thing. Rule britannia, vive le farage.
  10. 3 points
    I feel that most of those who leave don't 'hate' the EU. A lot of the problems come from the total inflexability of the administration and all their rules. The unfair way that some members were admitted into the fold when they did not meet the financial requirements regarding nation debt (Greece, Bulgaria and Romania come immediately to mind). Irrespective what is stated about the President, he/she is supposed to be neutral but they don't give the impression that they are. A periodic election wouldn't work either so I don't know what the answer is. Then there is the problem often mentioned and that is the admission of anyone entitled to travel between countries and that is as far as Britain is concerned, we are actually quite full! We have the 3rd or 4th largest population but are one of the smallest land masses. One solution to sort out the workers from the skivers would be to pay benefits at the same level as their parent countries, then we could see how many with a poor expectation of a real meaningfull full time and permanent jobs actually stay. (I didn't say highly qualified, I meant only those who will not be a burdon)
  11. 3 points
    Ah the link leads to the Huffington Post. A most esteemed journal which can be counted in line with the top publications in this country such as The Sun, The Mirror and the Daily Mail - only slightly more downmarket! I understand most of the journalists there where pupils at the Hans Christian Anderson school of fairy tales The newsworthy(?) articles that appear there are about as trustworthy as a rattlesnake with tooth ache! Whats more it is American based and what we do or don't do in this country has bugger all to do with them. Especially with old Trump in charge. As for what we are/are not going to do, to deal with Brexit (I hate that word) is, I will admit something of a mystery. However I am quite sure that there will be things going on in the shadows that we do not know about and will not know or realise, until further down the line. Giving all the information away by telling the Labour Party/SDLP/Greens our intentions, will be tantamount to sending an E mail to all those who oppose our move. By that I don't mean the good people in this country, but the governments of the other 27 countries forming the EU. (and possibly Russia) A good general does not give anything away until he has to do so before a battle and that is the way I think this is being played. And quite rightly so.
  12. 3 points
    Just put the Justice Minister into a Prison and say, "Live in this environment for 24 hours". Shewould soon change her tune. The PC, bleeding heart liberal do Gooders have a lot to answer for in the prison system. No respect, no disciple, no security and gross under manning. Anybody recognise these symptoms.
  13. 2 points
    I do not like Richard Littlejohn but on this topic he is spot on. Why should anyone weep for a known drug dealer, who has with him an automatic hand gun. He was the author of his own misfortune. My sympathy goes to the firearms officer who people will try to hang out to dry. It would be an excellent use of Federation Funds to fund any defence of the officer I would also hope that the Chief Officer will have the balls to stand up and be counted in supporting his officers.
  14. 2 points
    Do not be misled by the Chinese "anger" at Trump taking a call from the President of Taiwan. There is significant business going on between Taiwan and the Mainland. It suits PRC to have Taiwan as it is otherwise it would already have invaded and secured the island. The irony of the divide is that both sides fought the Japanese and it was a tussle for power between Chiang-Kai-Shek and Mao Tse Tung rather than outright politics (the were both followers of Sun Yat Sen - the father of Chinese independence from the dynastic Emperors). there will be lot of hot-air but it will not amount to much. On the other hand, the British Government deploying the Royal Navy to patrol the South China Sea (when it should be in Home Water defending the country's borders) has really p#ssed-off the PRC - I suspect because they thought they had good working relations in the anti-piracy patrols in the Indian Ocean. All-in-all, it is often difficult to fathom the actions of politicians - in fact, I think it may be the case that they don't know what they are doing but feel the need to do something - a bit like a novice chess-player!
  15. 2 points
    In respect of the two senior officers- Quite frankly that behaviour tells me they aren't fit to be in the Police. They are a disgrace. The idea that nasty bullying reptiles like that are getting drunk while schmoozing their way to the next rank when they are already both clearly over promoted. People who threaten other people's career prospects and humiliate them in front of others over body envy are on the bottom line, nasty sh1++y people. Apparently this isn't an isolated alcohol related incident either. The money saved in pension payments by getting shot of them would make it economical-We have plenty of people who could step into those shoes I'm sure- They didn't look particularly well filled anyway. People like this disgust me.
  16. 2 points
    I think Zulu's point is important - if a General election is triggered by thee Brexit issue, it could well focus so much attention on Brexit that it becomes the one issue and in the noise of the event, people will see it as solely a one-issue election. I suspect that many who voted "Leave" would follow the party that supports that action because they feel that once expressed, it is the stance they should continue! But I may be wrong!
  17. 2 points
    As someone said recently:- You can stop me from doing something. You can stop me from saying something, but you cannot stop me thinking about something. Bristow, I feel should have listened to that and not made himself look like a bit of a prat by using (un)social media.
  18. 2 points
    If M.P.'s vote against in Parliament and force a General Election then, the party who support Brexit will obtain an overwhelming majority. It will be a very foolish M.P. who betrays his electorate. As the North which is predominantly Labour voted overwhelmingly to leave it could see the complete demise of the ultra left Labour party. The sooner that the High Court come out with a final decision the better, then the country can get on with it. So far the mutterings coming out of the EU Commission seem very much threatening, and bullying showing up their true identity.
  19. 2 points
    Eric Bristow made comments which in my personal view, like a lot of twitter comments have absolutely no value what so ever. Because of this, I will place him in the same class of stupidity as Donald Trump. In his case, it is because of his (Trump's) comments where he allegedly admitted indecently assaulting a number of women. As for being a hate crime? Possibly some well meaning solicitor would say so, but whether or not it fits the definition of the offence, I don't know. As I said before it had no value and something that should have kept to himself. If the shoe had been on the other foot, would he be so quick to dissmiss what must have been a traumatic time for the alleged victims
  20. 2 points
    I am well-aware of the academic theory but, like all theories, whilst it may have its champions and adherents, there are others - perhaps like me - who say that there can be exceptions to all theories. the advantage that the academics have is that they invariabley have a depth of research (I don't say "knowledge" because sometimes they are in possession of few hard facts that we might expect). I am fortunate to have worked closely with a lot of academics - some are good, some are bad and some, frankly, very indifferent. The one thing they have in common is that they will invariably support each other and, unless there's the chance of a major accolade, will rarely challenge each other (although challenging is more likely to happen in the physical sciences). I take your point about age and susceptibility to unconscious bias (and new-borns' lack of it but, if you accept the theory of "original sin", you could not be quite so certain about that) But I reiterate my view that my bias are all conscious - and I stick by it. As you don't know me, you only have theory to support your view. Maybe we should leave it there?
  21. 2 points
    You could apply to any opinion and viewpoint held by anyone and it applies euqlly to those who favour unfettered immigration. Like OAH, any bias I hold is certainly of the concious variety and if I also have an unconcious bias it is really subordinate to the conscious one and is therefore of such a similar nature to the extent that it doesn't really matter.
  22. 2 points
    I rarely meet anyone who is absolutely against immigration. All most people want in regard to that issue is that we should have the ability and right to choose which immigrants we want and decline those we don't. I fail to see how anyone could object to that.
  23. 2 points
    To be quite honest, look at the width of the vehicle and compare this to the width of the marked parking places! I think no matter where the van had been parked, it would have made little difference. Try to park in the space on the left and the access to that car is restricted and the passenger in the police van would not be able to get out. Park over on the right hand bay and the space to the left would be unusable except for a motorcycle, and the driver would not be able to get out. Talk about rock and a hard place - come on be reasonable! If this is all that the person who took the picture has to grumble about in his/her little world then they need to get out a bit more and think about possible circumstances why something has happened not lead with both feet. There is a minimum recommended width for car spaces in a car park and these must be absolutely, exactly on that minimum limit. It has has been suggested that now, with some vehicles actually as wide as this limit (not counting the van)they (The RAC) meaning larger 4x4's, it is time that this minimum width was increased.
  24. 2 points
    Yes... Whereas before there was no case at all and we should just let it drop.... But now there is! ...But if we win then things will be worse than they are now...... Perhaps the Fed should tell those Judges- They are probably blissfully unaware of the pitfall they are about to walk into and need expert legal advice... Ok. I'm going to stop being sarcastic now... This has always been morally and legally wrong. People entered into pension agreements-Individually paid hundreds of thousands of pounds into them, then had the rules changed retrospectively. In order to do that the law was changed- Generally when that happens it doesn't act retrospectively in any case. Aside from that people were discriminated against. Reform is reform not retroform. I am tired of being fed manure and being told it's apple pie. Enough people spit it out and eventually someone owns up to it being manure but tells us we should feel fortunate enough to eat it. Well not me - I call BU775#1T.
  25. 2 points
    During the campaign I used to get irritated at how the Brexiteers used this figure when it never cost us that much. Now it's no longer a debating issue I, too, find it hilarious that anyone thinks we will ever see any of that money in real terms. Sure we won't have to write that cheque but financial cost of everything else will swallow that up, and then some.