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  2. 13togo

    Ill health retirement figures

    Thanks Zulu, I joined in 96 so have almost 22 years in now, just over 18 of which are in the 87 scheme. I was transferred to the 2015 scheme in April 2015. Is it correct that you get 7 years added? I thought that it was 3 1/2 years hence why people retired on ill health when they had 26 1/2 years service.
  3. Last week
  4. Zulu 22

    Ill health retirement figures

    Someone at the Federation should be able to tell you exactly. I do not have the actuary figures anymore and would be reluctant to try. However when I was serving on the Federation almost any Federation Rep worth his salt would have been able to tell you. Your HR department should also be able to tell you. My pension comes via Kier but they can only work on figures and dates provided by HR. You appear to have 12 years in which with 7 would give you 19 years. 2/60 ths for each year which would be 36/60ths when a full pension would be 40/60ths but, as I say that is from memory with now Regs or Actuary figures available to me so, do check again with the Federation for accuracy. They do have Pension specialists among their ranks.
  5. 13togo

    Ill health retirement figures

    Thanks for your reply Zulu, I spoke to our fed chairman this morning, he said that I would get 7 years added on so I would have an almost full pension. I think that it is 7/60ths ie 3.5 years rather than 7 years isn’t it? I dont think that he knew how to work it out really.
  6. Zulu 22

    Ill health retirement figures

    Speak to your Force Federation office. They should be able to tell you exactly what you are entitled too, Medical Pension and any lump sum. I am out of date now with the new Regs but as a Fed Rep I could and did tell officers what they could expect. One lad was disappointed as I was 3p per month out on my figures. Get advice from the Fed and follow it.
  7. Hi all, I wonder if anybody can help me. In 2015 I was diagnosed with small bowel cancer which has been treated via surgery. I now have rather embarrassing after effects of that surgery and am currently working full time from home in an office based environment. It it looks like I am now going to be put through the smp process because the fma is declared me permanently unfit for the role of Constable. Does anybody have any idea how to calculate an Ill health pension? I joined in December 96 and was moved to the 2015 scheme in April 2006. I asked Kier for an estimate but they will only provide one at hr’s request. At the minute I think that I want to be retained but I would be interested to know what sort of pension I would get if I medically retired. If anybody can can help I’d be grateful Many Thanks
  8. Yorkshire

    COMPULSORY SEVERANCE: The mother lode

    Had two rounds of VS last year in my force, but have been told there won't be a third. Incidentally, I've heard rumours that incentive packages might be coming in to entice cops who have left, to return.
  9. Earlier
  10. skydiver

    Intro

    Good luck and have fun.
  11. Kimpett

    Intro

    Hello Everyone, I just wanted to stop by say hello and introduce myself. I have been given my start date to become a Special in Kent, had to miss the induction weekend but hopefully not too much to catch up on the next one this month. Thank you for all the info and advice I have read from you all here. Kev
  12. Billy Blue Tac

    CS gas vs CS spray

    I've not been exposed to CS Spray, but I have had the delight of experiencing both CS Gas (during what was called NBC in my day) and Parva. The Gas was by far the most debilitating and longer lasting, but could take a while to be totally incapacitating whereas Parva has an instant and immediate effect.
  13. Reasonable Man

    Thoughts on leaving the police please!

    I never wanted to leave but had colleagues who did. It's an individual thing, some never looked back, some regretted it, some reapplied - one couldn't get in second time around. I would say be very sure that you want to leave, the grass isn't always greener. If you are truly unhappy as an officer then leaving is the best thing. If you hang on you're health will suffer, your relationships will probably suffer and you'll spend a long time being miserable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. coops1964

    CS gas vs CS spray

    As an ex CBRN trained officer who obviously also has done the CS spray course, the gas experience is much worse.
  15. BlueBob

    Medical Retirement and PTSD

    Well the first question is what do you want to do? Fun time employee, part time employee, self employed, franchisee, non-working, study etc. Then consider realistically if it is something your capable of doing without compromising your personal circumstances. Do you NEED and income, if so how much. Do an honest living costs analysis - record all your fixed costs (rates, rent, mortgage etc), current regulars - car tax, ins, MOT, servicing etc, then basic living costs (food, water, elec, gas, oil etc) then decide how much you need to cover them or what you may have to step back from. A nice shiny new phone on a high monthly fee may seem nice, but if money is short then perhaps dropping the costs at the next renewal.
  16. BlueBob

    Thoughts on leaving the police please!

    Okay, do something me quick calculations - how much does your current house/ flat rent/mortgage, main bills ( elec, rates etc) cost. Does it equate to about the £19k wage difference? If so, you may be less disadvantage than it may seem - don’t forget by the time you do tax, NI etc, that it equates to about 30% of you salary after allowances.
  17. Hello, I am sure this has been discussed 10000000s of times but I don’t know who else to talk to about it as I don’t want to sound like a moaner at work. I am thinking of leaving the police for various reasons. Only problem is, I have no idea what else I’d like to do. I have no qualifications (other than GCSES, a diploma in animal care and my police diploma). I would love to work with animals but when I approach employees they find it strange that a police officer wants to do the job of a kennel assistant for example. There is currently a role I’m interested in, working at a kennels and chattery, If I went for it would take a 10k pay cut however I would be provided with an apartment and all bills paid. I feel my mental and physical health would improve and I would get more job satisfaction so I am not sure wether to be brave and go for it. It’s the fear of the unknown. Really I am just after people’s thoughts if you’re able to give me any? Has anyone been brave enough to take the plunge? What job did you go into? Has anyone left and taken a huge pay cut and how did you make it work? Thanks for your time anyway.
  18. Billy Blue Tac

    Portable cordless angle grinders and crime

    There needs to be a proportionate response to the criminal use of everyday items - burglars wear their socks on their hands, internet-enabled criminals use free wifi hotspots, and the Parsons Green bomber apparently bought the ingredients for his bomb using an Amazon gift card. However, there are some precedents that may support what the OP suggests - the Dangerous Dogs Act, the sale of solvents and spray paint, supply etc of novel psychoactive substances - all of which were previously unrestricted until high profile media coverage and a (perceived?) social outcry prompted the government to bring in regulations and restrictions. A similar process is being considered for corrosives (acids, bleach etc) following the recent spate of attacks but unless the criminal use of angle grinders hits the headlines in the same way and significant pressure is applied on the government to act, then they will be just yet another everyday item in the wrong hands.
  19. Surely a capable and competent bike thief could be regarded by some as a tradesperson in their particular field of endeavour. Your response seems to be a sound, well reasoned and sensible solution!
  20. Ban all tools, just in case they are used by someone, other than a tradesman. Any tool can be misused, by anyone.
  21. There are equally effect items used to steal. Why so restrictive and focused on m/ cycles? The concept is of limited relevance and certainly not a deterrent. Is the £29.99 too cheap or is £128.99 for a high nd brand too much. Your reasoning is based on cost alone rather than access to the item
  22. 2wheelerbee

    Portable cordless angle grinders and crime

    Hi, thanks for your comments. I never said it was a police matter, other than when someone's vehicle is stolen then it's a headache for all concerned and the associated costs involved. I agree that trading standards or just (naively) sensible practices by vendors who are selling discount diy products like these which are known to be a favorite tool for motorcycle theft and which are unmatched by attachments to cordless drills in performance and weight, perhaps you have data to support your counter arguments.
  23. BlueBob

    Speed

    Slow on the mark to respond, the reason your car speedo shows either the actual speed or over the actual speed by up to 10% is set out in legislation (EC ECE Reg39 L120/40 Ref5.3. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:42010X0513(03)&from=EN), it's to allow for some vagaries in manufacture, to allow for tread wear, small changes of tyre sizes - hence the list of specific tyre sizes per vehicle rather than your mate's advice on what looks good down the local tyre centre. The overall effect on driving and speed limits, is that despite a drivers best efforts, if detected at 38mph (The devices always round down the recorded speed to a whole number), from the driver's view, the vehicle speedo would show 38mph or up to 10% faster than 38mph. Some vehicles with both analogue needle and digital displays of the vehicle speed will also differ between the two due to the way they each gather data and how they are viewed - for the needle its usually such a wide needle on such fine markers that they rarely allow you to differentiate your speed by 1mph for example. Accepting tyre wear etc, digitals tend to show a closer to true speed due to the data used usually comes from the ABS sensors' data As for doing your IAM or other non police advanced driving course, good for you, but just remember that safe, systematic and smooth driving come long before speed on the learning and application curve.
  24. skydiver

    COMPULSORY SEVERANCE: The mother lode

    Its still going but Emerge its commercial arm and attempted rival to the Fed has gone belly up. Its FB presence has gone but members of the challenge are still getting email updates.
  25. coops1964

    COMPULSORY SEVERANCE: The mother lode

    Whatever happened to the Pension Challenge as well?
  26. Hi everyone and many thanks for letting me join this forum. I have been away from front line Policing for nearly 3 years and in Feb 2018 and after a meeting with the SMP he recommended Medical Retirement due to my complex issues around PTSD. HR and the DCC for my force also agreed this and i retire from my force on the 18th June 2018. I am 48 years of age and have 20 years and 1 month of service. But what happens now? Any help would be really appreciated. Many thanks - Dazzlar
  27. Reasonable Man

    Shift Change following court

    These are rest days and if you are being ordered to work the Police Regulations apply: 'Compensation For Duty On A Rostered Rest Day Where Constables and Sergeants are required to do duty on a rostered rest day they are entitled to: where less than 15 days’ notice is received – time and one half;' I would have thought that two shifts paid at time and a half will cover your entry fee, if not your disappointment for not being able to crawl through mud. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  28. Not a case of not bother, more a matter of proportionality, reality and realistic enforcement. My cordless drill, multi tool can also operate a grinder disc, which immediately defeats your restrictions placed on the seller with no real preventative effect. Are you disappointed bred at how cheap they are of the sake of them? are you suggesting that they are sold as a restricted item? That becomes a trad stds matter rather than police. im just a little agasp at the concepts lack of forward thought on managing the consequences
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