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With the results of the local elections showing that UKIP is now a spent political force will they do the honourable thing and go away? I said some time ago that the EU Referendum was the end of UKIP as the result makes them pointless.

I expect they will hang on until the General Election but surely this will just add to their embarrassment. To lose 114 council seats is, in anyone's book, an unmitigated disaster. I suppose in the general election they can't go any lower than no MPs but their share of the vote will surely take the same nose dive as it did this week.

I say anyone would consider it a disaster, of course some UKIP diehards won't see it that way. Like Farage on Any Questions last night trying to put a positive spin that UKIP forced the Tories to take on all their policies so taking the UKIP voters with them. Desperation talk.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Reasonable Man said:

 

With the results of the local elections showing that UKIP is now a spent political force will they do the honourable thing and go away? I said some time ago that the EU Referendum was the end of UKIP as the result makes them pointless.

I expect they will hang on until the General Election but surely this will just add to their embarrassment. To lose 114 council seats is, in anyone's book, an unmitigated disaster. I suppose in the general election they can't go any lower than no MPs but their share of the vote will surely take the same nose dive as it did this week.

I say anyone would consider it a disaster, of course some UKIP diehards won't see it that way. Like Farage on Any Questions last night trying to put a positive spin that UKIP forced the Tories to take on all their policies so taking the UKIP voters with them. Desperation talk.

 

 

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To a great extent I think you are correct but at the end of the day it has to be said that UKIP has been a success story in that they were at the forefront of propelling the UK towards taking the necessary action leading to us leaving the EU. I voted for UKIP and if the same circumstances prevailed i would do so again. It served its purpose and I am grateful for those who created it and worked for its principal end purpose. I shall not do as I have always done and vote for whichever political party I feel is most likely to be best for the UK and at the moment I have no doubt that party is the Conservative Party.

I think UKIP will only reassert itself if the electorate feel HMG is beginning to drag its feet over our exit from the EU but suspect and hope that is unlikely to happen.

 

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Scotland has a population of 4 million and returned 57 M.P.'s. UKIP had 4million votes cast for them in them general election and got one seat, democracy for you, but it showed the support that the UKIP policies had.  That brought the other parties to their senses in the feelings of the electorate and made them take notice and action..

 

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The 4 million UKIP voters where in the wrong places and spread too thinly. What UKIP did was create nervousness in the main parties, in particular the Tories, hence Cameron's promise to hold the referendum if he got voted in. Of course we all now know that that backfired on him.
Anywho - the point is UKIP were formed to make the UK 'independent'. Now the UK will be, whatever that means, so no need for UKIP any longer. And if the local elections are anything to go by those 4 million votes will be down to 1 million or fewer come June 2017.


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Still more than the SNP. Will they die when the Scott reject their independence bid, again.

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15 hours ago, Reasonable Man said:

Of course not. They run a country and will continue to do so, independent or not.


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They are making a mess of the NHS and Education in Scotland. They are financially subsidised more favourably than England, Wales, or Northern Ireland. When the electorate realise the mess they are making then they will be in trouble. They are similar to UKIP with the exception that they lost the referendum for independence.

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All governments are criticised for the way they run public services so that means very little .
The SNP got 50% of the votes in a very high turnout in their country so have an undeniable mandate to govern. UKIP got 12.5% of the votes but spread too thinly. And does any sane person honestly think that they are I a position to run a country? I wouldn't trust them to run for a bus.


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Except that the SNP are making a right mess of the NHS and Education in Scotland.

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So you said. But that's a matter for he Scottish electorate. If they think that is a major problem then they will vote their SNP MPs out on June 8.
This thread is about whether UKIP is a spent force and, having achieved their aim, should go.


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They should remain to see the people's will is fulfilled. They are not finished until we are out of the EU and it's unelected Commissioners. 

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On 07/05/2017 at 15:36, Reasonable Man said:

The 4 million UKIP voters where in the wrong places and spread too thinly. What UKIP did was create nervousness in the main parties, in particular the Tories, hence Cameron's promise to hold the referendum if he got voted in. Of course we all now know that that backfired on him.
Anywho - the point is UKIP were formed to make the UK 'independent'. Now the UK will be, whatever that means, so no need for UKIP any longer. And if the local elections are anything to go by those 4 million votes will be down to 1 million or fewer come June 2017.


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While I agree that UKIP has, in the main, achieved the purpose for which it was created the fact is that many of those who voted for it did so because they felt the other mainstream political parties were not representing their views which were fairly widely held within the UK electorate, even by some individuals who vote3d for other parties.

Those former UKIP voters who will now vote for other political parties will still carry the views and opinions into whichever party they may decide to vote for now and this should, hopefully, carry some weight.

However. for those who continue to vote UKIP, and wish that party to continue in existence, I say ``Good luck.'' UKIP has as much right to exist as any other political party and those who choose to vote for it have the right to have a party which truly represents their opinion.    

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On 07/05/2017 at 19:35, Zulu 22 said:

Still more than the SNP. Will they die when the Scott reject their independence bid, again.

Probably not, although I would expect that their numbers would decrease. Their core support contains a significant number of fanatics who whose sole desire is to see the break-up of the UK no matter what that entails and how detrimental that would be for Scots or any of the other peoples who inhabit these Islands.

In recent years the SNP has seen its numbers swell due to a large number of Labour Party supporters who finally realised that Labour was not going to create the Socialist Utopia they once promised.  You know the one I mean, it's the place where no one can order you about, everything is free, you don't need to work for a laving and all members of the `boss class' have been eradicated.  Eventually, these class warriors will realise that the SNP are unable to provide such a Utopia and this will cause a dilema for them with regard to who they should vote for.  God knows what they will do then., 

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On 08/05/2017 at 13:08, Zulu 22 said:

Except that the SNP are making a right mess of the NHS and Education in Scotland.

You are too kind Zulu. They are making a mess of everything. They more or less admit this but Sturgeon has said that `Independence' transcends all other factors.

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On 08/05/2017 at 13:22, Reasonable Man said:

So you said. But that's a matter for he Scottish electorate. If they think that is a major problem then they will vote their SNP MPs out on June 8.
This thread is about whether UKIP is a spent force and, having achieved their aim, should go.


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No doubt they will go when they think they should and not before. 

I think that when the the Labour Party was created many years ago there was a need for it but in recent times it has been more of a burden to the progress and well being of the UK. However, thousands of people still believe in it and it has as much right to continue as any other party.

 

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