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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37286499

 

Now, it's real easy for an individual to not have one of these put on them - just don't spit at police officers you disgusting individuals.

 

From that BBC page...........

 

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"A spit hood is a primitive, cruel and degrading tool that inspires fear and anguish," Martha Spurrier, director of Liberty, said.

"Police have the power to use force against citizens when they have to - using handcuffs, arm restraints, leg restraints, pepper spray, batons.

"The suggestion that officers need to be able to cover people's faces and heads is as far-fetched as it is frightening.

"Spit hoods belong in horror stories, not on the streets of a civilised society - we urge the Met Police to think again."

 

 

 

Being spat upon is primitive, cruel and degrading...........

 

I tell you what, Martha, you and I can go in a room, and I'll spit at you.  And you can try and stop me doing it, but every time I get an opportunity to do so, I'll spit at you.  In the face.  And we'll see how 'far fetched' you think of an idea to stop me spitting at you in the face is.  You can have a mate with you if you like, to help you control me, but I'll spit at them too.  In the face whenever I can.  Obviously (or not so obviously to you) if you get any body part next to my mouth, I'll bite it as hard as I can.....

 

I'll make sure I'm properly hydrated, obviously, and if you're really lucky I won't have blood in my mouth.  You'll also have the reassurance that I do not have HIV, Hep C, Hep B, or any other communicable disease - which is more reassurance than we have with some spitting individuals we have to deal with.

 

 

 

It might surprise Martha to know that some of the people we deal with aren't civilised at all.

 

 

All somebody has to do, to not have a spit hood placed upon them.............is to not spit at us.  It's that simple.

 

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Unfortunately in this day and age it is thought as fair game to try to inflict any sort of injury to a police officer. The defence lawyers also think it is fair game and open season, but then they rarely have any idea what real life is away from their after work G&T's (Or even a before the end of work G&T).

 

Sure it is degrading, and so is being taken to the ground and handcuffed and leg restraints used so why do they put themselves in the position where a spit hood has to be used used. It is not as if they are going to be taken out the back in a black hood and summarily executed. (But in some cases it would solve a lot of problems :thumbup3:)

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Martha Spurred, a civilised society does not spit at people. A civilised person would not have to be restrained with a spit hood.

Martha take a look at the civilised part of society you are talking about.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37286499

 

Now, it's real easy for an individual to not have one of these put on them - just don't spit at police officers you disgusting individuals.

 

From that BBC page...........

 

"

"A spit hood is a primitive, cruel and degrading tool that inspires fear and anguish," Martha Spurrier, director of Liberty, said.

"Police have the power to use force against citizens when they have to - using handcuffs, arm restraints, leg restraints, pepper spray, batons.

"The suggestion that officers need to be able to cover people's faces and heads is as far-fetched as it is frightening.

"Spit hoods belong in horror stories, not on the streets of a civilised society - we urge the Met Police to think again."

 

 

 

Being spat upon is primitive, cruel and degrading...........

 

I tell you what, Martha, you and I can go in a room, and I'll spit at you.  And you can try and stop me doing it, but every time I get an opportunity to do so, I'll spit at you.  In the face.  And we'll see how 'far fetched' you think of an idea to stop me spitting at you in the face is.  You can have a mate with you if you like, to help you control me, but I'll spit at them too.  In the face whenever I can.  Obviously (or not so obviously to you) if you get any body part next to my mouth, I'll bite it as hard as I can.....

 

I'll make sure I'm properly hydrated, obviously, and if you're really lucky I won't have blood in my mouth.  You'll also have the reassurance that I do not have HIV, Hep C, Hep B, or any other communicable disease - which is more reassurance than we have with some spitting individuals we have to deal with.

 

 

 

It might surprise Martha to know that some of the people we deal with aren't civilised at all.

 

 

All somebody has to do, to not have a spit hood placed upon them.............is to not spit at us.  It's that simple.

Good post ITYO. I remember back in the 90's I was posted gaoler one night duty and we had people come in unannounced who were lay visitors. I was tasked with showing them around custody. This lay visitor that I was showing round insisted that I opened the wicket so that she could speak to the prisoners. Of course, there was one who I suggested they should not have the wicket opened for as he was constantly spitting at just about everyone. This woman ignored my advice. I opened the wicket, and you can guess the rest. I think it changed her mind somewhat and she wanted to look no further. 

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I saw an old 'Cops' type documentary/sketch programme a few years back with an American cop arresting a bloke.

 

Cop puts the offender in the back of his car and starts to drive off.  The offender is going berserk, shouting and swearing for a bit before, eventually, spitting at the cop.

 

The car stops, cop gets out, rear door opens, and the offender is removed from the car............

 

(this is where I thought.........."oh right..........")

 

............there is a really short period while he's outside the vehicle then he gets put back in it...................with the front of his t-shirt pulled up over his head.  A make-do spithood, if you will.

 

 

And I thought, "that'll do the job............quite inventive actually". 

 

 

No assaulting, no retribution, nothing but the officer protecting himself from spit.  Which is all we want to do.  Protect ourselves from spit.

 

 

Some might ask "Who wouldn't want an officer to be protected from being spat upon?".

 

Some might respond that the list is, arguably, The Person doing the Spitting and Liberty.

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Brilliant.

 

 

 

 

:panic:

 

 

What I should have said is............

 

 

Some might ask "Who wouldn't want an officer to be protected from being spat upon?".

 

Some might respond that the list is, arguably, The Person doing the Spitting, Liberty and Sadiq Kahn.

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Was the escorting officer many years ago, before the days of cages so we carried prisoners in the back of Ford Escorts. Matey decided to spit and bite so I sat on his head for the 20 minutes drive to custody.

In hindsight a lot could have gone wrong and I could have spent (another) couple of stressful years with PSD. A sack over the head would have been less degrading and more civilised.

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RM I think your avitar sums up so many of the well meaning sorry, interfering busy bodies, who as I said before do not have a complete grasp on some the less palitable aspects of the real world. That part of reality does not exist in their world.

 

I wonder what Ms Spurred would rather have the arresting officers do. She pontificates about the 'inhumanity' of it all, but never comes up with a better solution, or indeed any solution at all that would be workable.

 

It's a cruel unforgiving world out there Martha, but then again I place a lot of blame on the likes of people with similar views to your own for it being that way!

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As RM says, there are other ways to stop somebody spitting, but I'm pretty sure they all involve use of more than a little force, and therefore the potential for unnecessary injury.

 

 

 

I really don't understand the apparent acceptance by Liberty/Mr. Kahn that spitting on coppers is 'part of the job' or that we shouldn't be allowed to (very simply) prevent it.

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"There is an awful trend of these devices being misused and being used in a way which tends to impact minority ethnic groups, those with mental health challenges, those with learning difficulties."...why? Corroborative evidence please.

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Does being in an ethnic minority group, having mental health problems or learning disabilities mean that you're more or less likely to a ) be arrested and b ) spit at the officers arresting you or at officers in custody?

 

Whilst I don't have any corroborative evidence, I'd say that police officers are unlikely to use a spit hood on someone that isn't spitting at them. So...

 

Don't spit at police officers! 

 

 

Irrespective of what colour your skin is, whether or not you have a mental health problem or learning difficulties. It's not exactly rocket science.

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 Back in the day I had the displeasure of being in the back of a van with a man I'd recently arrested. He wasn't best pleased about it so had to be handcuffed to the rear & put on the floor in the van with me sitting on the bench holding him down so as to prevent him getting up & further expressing his annoyance. There were no leg restraints back then & I'd never even heard of the conflict resolution thingy. To my horror the young man decided to turn his head & start spitting at me. Carrying out a dynamic risk assessment (which I'd also never heard of back then) the only way I could see to prevent this was to move my spare hand to the young mans head & direct it away from me, thereafter holding it in that position using reasonable force for the rest of the journey. I suspect he was very uncomfortable. 

 

 I often think of that incident during OST & how things have moved on. Leg restraints & a spit hood would have made that unpleasant young mans journey far more humane. The spit covered hood would have been good evidence too.

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Y0d4

 

Perhaps, with no spit hoods, your treatment of the fella is what the likes of Sophie Khan want. That way, they'll be able to bring lots of nice juicy, well paying (probably from the legal aid budget and thereby at taxpayers expense), cases against the police for mistreatment of/unreasonable use of force on prisoners.

 

Far better to have some poor copper covered from head to foot in someone else' saliva.

 

 

Perhaps, without spit hoods, the Met and others should do what I've seen done a few times in the states (I've no idea if it's ever happened here). An improvised spit hood that the prisoner has brought to the party themselves. Usually a T-shirt or jumper. Prisoner cuffed to the rear and then their shirt or whatever, pulled up over their head.

 

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Sorted. No spit hood required  ;)

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