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'We're too broke to go on the beat': Police chiefs warn ministers that cuts mean they can't do their job as they threaten to stop street patrols and say they won't be able to protect public from rioters or terrorists 
  • Police chiefs have warned ministers cuts could pose risk to security
  • The country’s top police chiefs held a secret summit to discuss cuts
  • They warn fewer officers will be available to tackle national crises like riots


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Even the comments were largely pro police and there wasn't one mention of house prices.

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I am not surprised at the assertions that officers will not be on the beat.

 

I have just returned from two weeks at home in Manchester and I spent a lot of time, on various days and at different times, in the city centre as I was going to various public offices to get family documents etc.

 

At no time did I see a patrolling Police Officer in what is a very busy city centre. I went into the "police station" located at the rear of the Town Hall, I waited more than 5 minutes for someone to appear at the counter - not a Police Officer but a rather scruffy civilian clerk.

 

The only police vehicle I saw was parked at the rear of the former HQ in Bootle Street - no-one in it and it was there for more than one hour apparently without moving. Surprisingly, I did not see any PCSOs except when I went to Chadderton Town Hall - well outside the city centre; there was one on patrol in a nearby shopping centre.

 

My experience isn't, of course, any scientific sample but, perhaps, it is an indication of the reality of Police visibility / availability today. Sad :(

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Skydiver, I read the article too - problem is I read the comments below from members of the public and the bad feeling towards us is awful. Barely a good word to say about us, the usual, "well if they didn't all retire at 50 with their full pension" and "sack the lot of em, not fit for purpose" "they make loads of money chasing poor motorists " etc etc, makes my heart sink

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When I read it I thought that most of the readers comments were positive with a lot of people replying in a positive way to the anti comments.  I know that traditionally DM readers are not exactly shrinking violets when it comes to their opinions about anything but I was pleasantly surprised this time around.

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I am not surprised at the assertions that officers will not be on the beat.

 

I have just returned from two weeks at home in Manchester and I spent a lot of time, on various days and at different times, in the city centre as I was going to various public offices to get family documents etc.

 

At no time did I see a patrolling Police Officer in what is a very busy city centre. I went into the "police station" located at the rear of the Town Hall, I waited more than 5 minutes for someone to appear at the counter - not a Police Officer but a rather scruffy civilian clerk.

 

The only police vehicle I saw was parked at the rear of the former HQ in Bootle Street - no-one in it and it was there for more than one hour apparently without moving. Surprisingly, I did not see any PCSOs except when I went to Chadderton Town Hall - well outside the city centre; there was one on patrol in a nearby shopping centre.

 

My experience isn't, of course, any scientific sample but, perhaps, it is an indication of the reality of Police visibility / availability today. Sad :(

The car parked at the back of Bootle St was probably an officer attending the nearby Mags Court and taking advantage of the "police only" parking that is still in place.

Bootle St is now shut and being redeveloped by some local footballers.

I think that your experience is entirely representative of the number of patrols in the area. Had you attended next week you might have had a totally different experience due to the Tory Party Circus rolling in to town.

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Skydiver, I read the article too - problem is I read the comments below from members of the public and the bad feeling towards us is awful. Barely a good word to say about us, the usual, "well if they didn't all retire at 50 with their full pension" and "sack the lot of em, not fit for purpose" "they make loads of money chasing poor motorists " etc etc, makes my heart sink

I read those comments and replied to a few with a few carefully chosen words. What you have to remember is that the sort of people that post on the DM police article comments pages have probably been done for speeding a few times and have absolutely no clue about modern policing issues. They would quite like to see us all walking round in capes with whistles clipping cheeky young upstarts round the ear.

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Society will eventually realise it got the police service it voted for at the last general election. That said everything will still be all our fault. I really don't care any more.

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I read those comments and replied to a few with a few carefully chosen words. What you have to remember is that the sort of people that post on the DM police article comments pages have probably been done for speeding a few times and have absolutely no clue about modern policing issues. They would quite like to see us all walking round in capes with whistles clipping cheeky young upstarts round the ear.

 

Its hard to get your head around the arrogance of some of the comments.

 

Surely its not that hard to realise that policing has changed and attitudes and the difference between right and wrong are so ambiguous these days its almost impossible to police with any real effect. I mean what do they expect? Every job I attend these days seems to have a group of "legal eagles" trying to tell me what I can and cant do. I look down at my uniform and think "who is in charge here? do they know who I am? is there any point in me being here or shall I just leave em all to it? Whats the point.

 

Anyway, rant over.

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The reality is that it is not only the police who will be going under through 'austerity'. NHS, education, social work, local authority etc. are/will all ultimately  collapse down to an emergency response at best. No amount of lies from politicians and head in the sand from service managers can hide the inevitable forever. The travesty is that the only people who won't need these services or can afford to buy those (health) that they do, will be the very same politicians and well paid managers along with a small minority of high end earners. It is utterly disgusting and I can assure you I am no socialist. As much as Corbyn is naive, misguided and has some very dubious view/associations his core beliefs are going to become frighteningly relevant to all but the uber rich in this country. I only hope that a more credible and moderate individual form whatever political party emerges to re-dress the social imbalance which I believe is about to engulf a generation. Perhaps I do still care.  

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The car parked at the back of Bootle St was probably an officer attending the nearby Mags Court and taking advantage of the "police only" parking that is still in place.

Bootle St is now shut and being redeveloped by some local footballers.

I think that your experience is entirely representative of the number of patrols in the area. Had you attended next week you might have had a totally different experience due to the Tory Party Circus rolling in to town.

 

Thanks, Krusty - good to know. Mind you, I'm sad that Bootle Street isn't a nick anymore - it always had a sort of "presence" with lots of comings and goings of men in very tall helmets!

 

I know what you mean about the Tory Party conference - it would have been an annoyance because I spent most of my time in and out of the registrar's office in Heron House and the Central Library. I have to say that once all the infrastructure work is finished in the city centre, it will certainly be an improvement but the odd bobby-on-the-beat would make it even better. :D   

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 I can't help but feel that we (the organisation) are our own worst enemy. When Dave & his chums come to town we provide search teams, firearms teams & officers coming out of every oraface giving the impression it's a bottomless pit. Next time why not say sorry no can do, don't have the staff.

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Yes its overkill city when they turn up - we struggle to deploy officers to genuinely needy members of the public but its lock down, snipers at the ready and a cop on every corner for this lot

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I always wondered of they base their estimates of the numbers of police on the streets on what they see out of their windows in Parliament. There's typically more on the vehicle entrance gate than there is in an average town centre.  

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