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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/31/police-force-new-spending-cuts-22000-jobs   

Planned government spending cuts will see at least 22,000 police jobs being lost, leaving the public protected by the lowest numbers of officers since the 1970s, according to a private estimate circulating among police chiefs.     The figure, obtained by the Guardian, is much higher than previously known, and means the number of police officers in England and Wales could fall to nearly 100,000.

 

The easy cuts have been made  so any further cuts will have to have a deep effect on man power with a 20% cut in officer numbers.  Penning has made his usual banal cut and paste response which I've heard so often that I can almost quote it off by heart, but at the same time he is quoting falling crime figures serious assaults and off weapon offences creeping up, RTCs and death/injuries on the roads are going up, and at the same time specialist departments are creaking under a load of historic sexual assaults.  At the same time the population is increasing rapidly with challenges of language and different habits and traditions to address.  Lastly the rank hypocrisy of the government is ever apparent.  Whilst cuts are being meted out to un-protected departments the cost and size of the government continues to rise showing again and again that we're not all in this together and although I've never heard that the cost of parliament is ring fenced politicians certainly seem to act as if they are above cost cutting.

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I came across this by accident...

'A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.

Marcus Tullius Cicero'

...and I really do start to wonder.

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I came across this by accident...

'A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.

Marcus Tullius Cicero'

...and I really do start to wonder.

 

These may not be elected politicians but the unelected '"advisers" who politicians rely upon for advice rather than rely upon their civil servants who, at least, should have a more balanced view. I suspect that political advisers get where they are by exhibiting a significant degree of brown-nosing and that doesn't require them to be straightforward and honest, rather they have to have a commitment to advancing their personal cause which may, of course, be someone else's agenda. Perhaps I am just seeing "reds under the bed" but, if memory serves me right, that has happened in the past! :tongue_cheek:  

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This article - and the comments, blew me away.

I think many of the comments clearly indicate that a significant number of MOPs have little regard for the Police Service and the functions it provides.

I have said for a long time now that things will have to become much worse before they improve and I suspect we are well on the way down that road now.

What continues to surprise me is that so many police officers who complaint bitterly about the demise of the Service actively play along with those who seek to destroy it by manipulating crime stats. etc. They too must share the blame for what is happening to what was once the best Police Service in the world. 

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The report/leak claims 22,000 POLICE jobs will be lost, in this context this does not mean all will be officers, some will be support staff.

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The report/leak claims 22,000 POLICE jobs will be lost, in this context this does not mean all will be officers, some will be support staff.

That still amounts to bad news in many instances as those sworn officers left to hold the `Thin Blue Line' together will have to perform the tasks currently done by support staff, thus increasing the pressure on them. 

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And yet STILL there are serving officers on here who claim Compulsory Severence will not happen.

Some people are addicted to false optimism.

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It's not false optimism the fact remains NO severance has happened in the Met.

Maybe a tiny amount in other farces but not here and you have to acknowledge that HMG are going to be unpopular if there sever people who then get a job in the private sector for more or the equivalent. When if they can play cut and run with what we deal with payouts will be unnecessary.

You need to look at it from a business point of view.

Spend and save which is what you are suggesting

Or save and save again by keeping people in post leaving natural wastage in.

I could scrap at least 100 hair brained gimmicks that are there for all to see everyday which cost a fortune.

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Oh for pity's sake stop banging on about CS not having happened in the Met. There is life beyond the Metropolis.

For want of repeating myself for the umpteenth time, CS is not law. The primary legislation has not been passed. Until it has been it cannot be used. Anywhere.

No. Not even in London.

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In fairness to me Bill I never said compulsory my post above mentions severance which could mean voluntary.

Now now calm down. We don't want HMG turning us against one another!

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Oh for pity's sake stop banging on about CS not having happened in the Met. There is life beyond the Metropolis.

For want of repeating myself for the umpteenth time, CS is not law. The primary legislation has not been passed. Until it has been it cannot be used. Anywhere.

No. Not even in London.

 

Wow, touched a nerve?

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Yes a bit of anti Met sentiment there not sure where that come from I have not really said anything against other forces plus.

Wasn't being flash when I pointed out no severance in the met but perhaps this came across this way and if anyone is offended sorry about that but it really is not the way I meant to get the point across.

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And anyway if there has never been any severance of the compulsory type Cause it is illegal then that strengthens my point about it being unlikely to come in.

I am at the point now where I really don't care if it does or don't come in but I am very interested to see what will happen over the next three to 12 months.

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