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I am told that if I am successful onto the police graduate scheme, I can specialise after 2 years.

I think I'd really enjoy going into public order. If I specialise in this, would I spend most days as a normal officer in my borough on a weekday, and then when public demonstrations arise I just get drafted in to help? Or would I be doing public order all day every day moving around the country?

Also I'm curious - how are graduates viewed within the force? From social media and forums I can sense a lot of resentment to the met's new aim of bringing in more graduates and drafting them into higher positions.

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If you join on the graduate scheme aren't you guaranteed a higher rank by years two and three? Isn't that the point of the scheme?

You could be public order trained and I'm sure it would be very useful, but I don't know if any forces have units dedicated. As for travelling around the country, we all aid other forces if the incident requires it, ie large scale riots.

You have asked about views on the graduate entry scheme, please use the search facility on this forum as there are already long dedicated topics on this subject where you will be able to see some of our member's views on the subject.

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If you join on the graduate scheme aren't you guaranteed a higher rank by years two and three? Isn't that the point of the scheme?

You could be public order trained and I'm sure it would be very useful, but I don't know if any forces have units dedicated. As for travelling around the country, we all aid other forces if the incident requires it, ie large scale riots.

You have asked about views on the graduate entry scheme, please use the search facility on this forum as there are already long dedicated topics on this subject where you will be able to see some of our member's views on the subject.

Thanks for the reply.

 

I believe you're talking about the 'Met Police National Fast Track Programme' which is a three year scheme where you can get ranked through to Sargent and Inspector, but it's very competitive. I personally think that its far too fast to be ranked up to Sargent within 1-2 years, and hence believe I wouldn't be able to add much to the role as such a inexperienced junior, so won't be applying for that reason. 

 

I want to apply instead for the 'Police Now Leadership Development Programme' - spending 2 years as Dedicated Ward Police Officer (DWO), gaining boots on the ground experience. After this I'm told that I can 'specialize' (with further research it said to roles such as CID, Public Order, Dogs Unit, Traffic etc), continue in your Safer Neighbourhood Team, join the 'National Policing Fast Track Programme' outlined above or leave to a 'platinum partner' firm. 

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Do you have to apply to specialise or are you able to go to whatever department you wish on this scheme?

In my force even the Leadership development programmes have to be applied for for serving officers and again there are not many places available.

I ask as if you joined at base level, you could apply to specialise after your probationary period in any case, and also apply for high potential development schemes if you were up to it.

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My understanding is that if you enter under any graduate type entry scheme, then the point is for quick promotion, rather than specialism. Whilst you could probably specialise, that specialism would likely be short lived as you would get promoted out of that specialism.

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My understanding is that if you enter under any graduate type entry scheme, then the point is for quick promotion, rather than specialism. Whilst you could probably specialise, that specialism would likely be short lived as you would get promoted out of that specialism.

Is that by joining the Met Police National Fast Track Programme after the two years, or that you can climb the ranks regardless?

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My understanding is that if you enter under any graduate type entry scheme, then the point is for quick promotion, rather than specialism. Whilst you could probably specialise, that specialism would likely be short lived as you would get promoted out of that specialism.

sorry, ignore my last comment.

You can specialise into CID and get ranked uo within there to detective sergeant etc. Would the graduate scheme help promotion in CID, or just general policing?

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Graduate schemes are intended to develop high potential candidates up through the ranks, so yes in a general policing way. You would not stay in one department, you need experience in all areas of policing to advance onwards.

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sorry, ignore my last comment.

You can specialise into CID and get ranked uo within there to detective sergeant etc. Would the graduate scheme help promotion in CID, or just general policing?

I'm not aware of this Met scheme particularly, but in any other fast track promotion scheme, it is designed to give experience and promotion through that experience. This generally makes the officer the proverbial jack of all trades and master of none. For example, you do your probation, then get promoted into a specialism as a Sergeant, then a little hint of being a butterfly hopping about headquarters departments, before getting promoted to Inspector. All in all this gives you a little flavour of lots but no real experience of any and no chance to specialise in anything, whilst gaining very little respect from your peers along the way. ;)

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In regards to Public order, from what I am aware and it is the same with most forces but you will continue with your normal role and then be called upon to deploy as Public Order officer should the need require. As for travelling across country that's generally mutual aid and there is no set guarantee how far you will travel or when.

and as everyone else has said I was under the impression that the graduate scheme was to climb the ladder

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Everything is reputation come in on accelerated promotion/graduate scheme and behave like a dunce then you  ransack your dignity and go to the bottom of the pile.

Avoid early entry into public order crews under the various guises.Fun initially every day day being a new day i.e warrants and people wanted others have to deal with aftr being dropped off at the cells.

The the penny drops in that you dan do statements of arrest and little else.

Do at least five years pedalling a panda fully dealing with jobs from begining to end, arrest  to court then you can be a copper !

 

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Unless it is different in the Met, you do not specialise in Public Order.  You do Public Order Training and qualify at level 1,2, and 3. Certainly in my force you would not go on mutual aid unless you were at the top in level training. Even then it would come down to perhaps me as a PSU commander selecting which officers I would be taking, unless it was an immediate response mutual aid.

You would not be deployed on PSU unless you were trained. The PSU is as strong as its weakest link.

 

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