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#1 Maverick22

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:32 PM

http://www.dailymail...-criminals.html  - don't know how reliable this is as it is in the Maul.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:40 PM



How they manage to squeeze in so many factual inaccuracies into one story beggars belief...

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:00 PM

The Mail should only be used in emergencies to clean the area of the body most reflective of the writers!

If the job wants its Police to thin down they could re - open all the canteens THEY closed and maintain gym equipment and encourage all the sports teams/clubs/competitions they no longer bother with!

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:13 PM

They really do print a load of crap.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:29 PM

They do but unfortunately there are plenty if members of public who read, and believe, it

Edited by BlackRat601, 18 August 2013 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:12 PM

I believed in the tooth fairy when I was 6 years old. What exactly is the mental age of these people who are so suckered in by the press.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:20 PM

The Mail should only be used in emergencies to clean the area of the body most reflective of the writers!

If the job wants its Police to thin down they could re - open all the canteens THEY closed and maintain gym equipment and encourage all the sports teams/clubs/competitions they no longer bother with!

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:39 AM

We had a TSG Inspector who had his unit run almost every day around a local park - followed by their carriers so that they could instantly respond to calls. He was our Specials Liaison Officer; so we didn't get away without exercise and we were expected to do 6 to 10 km runs once a month .............. not taxing but more than most non-TSG team members did. Mind you, in those days in Central London, the main operational deployment was foot patrol; so almost everyone got a fair bit of daily exercise!


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

I don't know who this "equality advisor" is but all our DI's have to do OST. Contrary to popular myth, many of them have not been detectives since they completed their probations, they are former TSG officers and would be horrified if they failed a level 5:4 shuttle run!



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:10 AM

How they manage to squeeze in so many factual inaccuracies into one story beggars belief...

Its a subtle change but they appear to have started calling the Fed a 'union' in inverted commas rather than union, i.e. they've finally noticed that it isn't a union but still want to give their readers the impression that it is one.

 

The Mail should only be used in emergencies to clean the area of the body most reflective of the writers!

If the job wants its Police to thin down they could re - open all the canteens THEY closed and maintain gym equipment and encourage all the sports teams/clubs/competitions they no longer bother with!

I only look at Mail stories on line so i'd have a lot of difficulty wiping my bum with a lap top.

 

Anyway...why do they always give the impression that being able to chase a crook is the be all and end all of being a cop?  Most of us use that most modern of inventions, the motor vehicle, to get around and that believe it or not, it helps us to catch criminals.  There will always be someone younger and fitter who can outrun a cop no matter how fit we get ourselves, particularly when we are weighed down with boots, PPE, utility belt, radio etc.  Our kit will also be a disadvantage to us in that situation.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:53 AM

Indeed, and most offenders these days attend police stations voluntarily to be interviewed and reported, and the only "chasing" involves that done over the phone. The Mail is so out of touch!



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:38 AM

I wonder how many overweight 'Hacks' are employed by the daily Mail?


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:47 AM

Why the obsession with weight and 'fatness'? It's the usual media obsession and then they criticise others who taunt people about being fat leading to tragic consequences we have all read about.
When I could achieve 12+ on the 20m bleep test I was over 3 stones overweight according to the charts. Since then I have lost 2 stones but couldn't get near that now.
There are plenty of normal weight people who will fail as this test is a questionable indication of one aspect of fitness that suits some people and not others.
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:11 PM

I hope it doesn't include police staff as per the mail article.

Half of the IT Dept would probably fail the bleep test...

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:18 PM

Why the obsession with weight and 'fatness'? It's the usual media obsession and then they criticise others who taunt people about being fat leading to tragic consequences we have all read about.
When I could achieve 12+ on the 20m bleep test I was over 3 stones overweight according to the charts. Since then I have lost 2 stones but couldn't get near that now.
There are plenty of normal weight people who will fail as this test is a questionable indication of one aspect of fitness that suits some people and not others.

 

I wonder if Eric Pickles had anything to do with this. :rolleyes:



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

Did he get 5/4 then? (Snigger snigger snigger)
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:26 PM

Did he get 5/4 then? (Snigger snigger snigger)

 

He flatened the opposition :rolleyes:



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:53 AM

Hi,

I am a wholetime firefighter and we are going through the same sort of thing.

Can I ask what happens if you fail this test and more importantly what happens if you keep failing this test?

 

Louis



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:07 AM

It's not really in so as yet, it's tried and untested. There is a thread on it on here which I would urge you to read.

The idea of the fitness test is fine in my opinion, however I just have this feeling that it is not going to be managed that well.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:35 AM

Hi,
I am a wholetime firefighter and we are going through the same sort of thing.
Can I ask what happens if you fail this test and more importantly what happens if you keep failing this test?

Louis

The sands on this are shifting as the economic position drags on.

The original plan was to discipline officers - which could have led to you losing your job. That got binned at arbitration and now repeated failure will lead to UPP (unsatisfactory performance procedure). Technically that could lead to you losing your job, but HR managers have already confirmed that in practice this will not happen. Why? Because physical fitness is but one aspect of your work and if you are performing well in other areas failing the test will not be enough to get you sacked. That seems logical to me and I have faith a decent lawyer would see off any attempt to sack a competent officer - quite apart from the fact that it is possible to be restricted and or disabled, so exempt from the test, but still working on the frontline...

So, what is the plan? Winsor said fail the test and you should be restricted from frontline policing - put in a back office role.

The test was run in various forces as a pilot and circa 10% of officers failed. Clearly this shocked everyone concerned as we had a period when it was declared failure would not restirct you. However, national guidance has now been issued which says it would be difficuly not to restrict those who fail - considering the need to keep everyone safe...

Restricting folks suits management because you can put them in a back office role and use regs to kick a fit officer out of that role and put them back on the frontline (those regs already exist). So, you take one unfit officer off the frontline and put one fit officer onto the frontline...far more efficient use of resources..

Other bits of Winsor then kick in...if you are restricted from frontline duties they are looking at docking your pay 3k. Also, if you are doing a role not using your warranted powers (arrest etc) they are looking at an additional 5k paycut. Now Winsor said those disabled officers who are restricted should be medically pensioned - you can then hire two for one and increase efficiency. Those not disabled should be sacked and given a civvies job if one is available...again freeing up a post to be filled by new cheaper officers.

This recently went to arbitration, and we don't know the specifics, but HMG don't want to use medical pensions and want a 'no cost option' to deal with these officers. That's a strange and worrying phrase because even if compulsory severance is introduced that allows for compensation...

Winsors plan re restricted officers has been transparent from day one. His original report admitted the losers in all this would be restricted officers who would see paycuts of around 10k. The method of achieving that goal keeps changing, but the intent is still there...

Thankfully PNB and PAT (our condition reviewers and arbiters) have done a good job of making this stuff reasonable and slowing it down. Winsor recently admitted in writing that had he known at the outset how they would have hindered him the first thing he would have done was disband them. As it is The Home Secretary is rushing though legislation to bin them next year!

So we're left waiting on arbitration, which starts in October, and the result of which will be known in December, with the Home Secretary signing off or vetoing decisions in January.

What's left to decide?

Compulsory severance

New regs for dealing with restricted officers

Foundation and specialist exams to block officers progressing up the pay scales and to knock some off the top paypoint if they are not using warranted powers (5k paycut)


What have we already endured? (Winsor, Hutton and austerity)

Multiyear pay freeze

Multiyear incremental pay scale freeze

Multi year pension contribution increase

Incremental loss of £1200 competency payment (which was pensionable, but we are not geitting these contributions back)

The complete change of our pensions from final salary to career average, working longer for less etc

There's more, but it's depressing to think and talk about it...

Edited by Picard999, 01 September 2013 - 07:38 AM.





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