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PRIVATISATION OF THE POLICE SERVICE

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I note the Guardian reports that Surrey and West Midlands Police intend to contract private firms to carry out criminal investigations and also provide them with the power to detain suspects on the streets.

I suspect this is what DC and his pals have been planning all along with fat contracts going to GS4 and similar firms.

This is a most retrograde step but remember that it all started with such things as hiring civilian enquiry officers, PCSOs and permitting organisations such as GS4 to provide prisoner escort services. Sadly, many Police Officers tolerated, cooperated with and even celebrated some of the foregoing `innovations' and I suspect that, if said privatisation proceeds, there will be ex Police Officers who will gladly turn their backs on former colleagues to work with any firm which is successful in obtaining such a contract. Shame on them.

Will this be the final straw which breaks the camel's back and wakens Police Officers from their reverie' ?

I shall wait to see the reaction.

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GS4 do not exactly have a good record in prioner transport, or bery much else. I would like to know where Surrey and West Midlands are going to engineer a power of arrest for suspects on the street. Private firms need to make a profit, but, I did not know that these Police Forces had money to burn. This new breed of Chief Officers do not seem to have a clue but then, they are Home Office trained. Or, perhaps they are just clones.

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I read this on BBC website this morning - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17242956

It says they won't have power of arrest but will be doing patrols and investigations.

As one commenter has put, how can they deter crime if they can't arrest!!!

Not a good step at all, I can't see this being anything but a mistake in the long run.

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GS4 do not exactly have a good record in prioner transport, or bery much else.

I do believe it was G4S that lost the keys to a Birmingham prison...

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2011/10/20/lockdown-as-keys-fitting-every-cell-door-go-missing-at-birmingham-jail-97319-29626821/

... and only a few days after they took over it...

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I look forward to the first instance of an offender making a complaint of unlawful detention and possibly assault, together with harassment as private security firms try to "investigate" offences. No breach of PACE, no PSD involvement, no recourse to IPCC, everyone is really going to be scratching their heads over this. Maybe G4S customer services dept have a plan!

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As with all the other things that have gradually been eroding the British Police Service over the past few years, such as increased use of the Special Constabulary, the introduction of PCSOs and civilian enquiry officers, privatisation of prisoner escort services and areas such as Police control rooms this can only work with the cooperation of sworn officers.

This may well be the last wake up call the British Police Service will get.

I also think it is an idea the Great British Public might not be too happy about and I think the FED should begin campaigning against this scheme with immediate effect. More importantly, those coppers who have daily contact with MOPs should be letting them know what you think.

The road on which governments have been leading you down these past few years is surely now clear to you all. They have done it steadily and slowly and with great stealth. They have really taken many of you in. I suspect the `Last Chance Saloon' is within sight.

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i guess we mean G4S not GS4.

This has always been on the cards and i wouldnt be surprised to see Winsor Part 2 lay foundations for privatisation.

I foresee a future with a 2 tier police force.

G4S providing a policing service to those that can afford it and the seriously under staffed, under paid, under resourced public sector version dealing with the have nots of society.

Insurance companies will make a killing because people will be taking out policies to cover their use of the private police.

Much the same way the health care system is heading in this country.

Also, what does this mean sworn constables are there for?

Just getting shot or stabbed for grade ones and prisoner process?

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I read this on BBC website this morning - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17242956

It says they won't have power of arrest but will be doing patrols and investigations.

As one commenter has put, how can they deter crime if they can't arrest!!!

Not a good step at all, I can't see this being anything but a mistake in the long run.

Indeed. It sounds more like privatisation of PCSOs than privatisation of police.

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Utter madness....every privatised industry has failed.

and these new private firms employees will have the right to strike aswell

and to think these ideas came from two Police Autnorities and not HMG , or did they ?

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I think people need to read the report in full before going off on tangents and making comments about things that are not relevant, as already stated there will be no powers of arrest issued limited investigations etc and G4S record world wide in their industry is pretty good, by focusing on the usual comments an the assumption only police are trained to investigate means people are missing the the point and perhaps do not recognise the threat not only to officer jobs but to the country as a whole.

If you look at every aspect of Police officers role all those skills were learnt, be that formal training and experience, so taken like that there is nothing to stop a private company training its people to do the same job

The private sector is all about profits, so if training was delivered too a required standard the questions to be asked where would the profits come from.

As mentioned already the water was tested with PCSO role the spin was lower costs to provide a presence, each force is different I know but the use of and powers given to PCSO as slowly increased over the years

Taking police officer from certain roles and employing civilian staff to save costs and free up officers (crap) was introduced years ago, yet forces still cost a fortune to run

So where do we go next I think its Lincs police have signed a contract with G4S who will build a new headquarters and most civilian staff will transfer to G4S payroll to save the force money

And that the real issue its not about can a civilian do this job, its about how cheap can we make policing and how can the government take political control of the police service.

Our leaders are not interested in policing or the officers they are supposed to be responsible for all senior officers are target driven out for their own personal gains and will support any scheme if they think it will help them.

Everything is about money not quality of service, there was a bit of outcry in the letters page of a local paper in a neighboring force after the local Asian community made money available to the local SNT to deal with kerb crawling and that force lept at the offer, those arguing against stated why should we have to pay twice for the police to do their job.

So already we see the kind of thing proposed creeping into the job G4S will come in offer the world and make a big profit, i doubt the service they offer at first will make any difference to the public, but after a couple of years they will push the government for a bigger contract then they will start to take on tasks done by sworn officers

how will they make money because they dont use outdated work pratice, the organisation is not full of little empire builders looking out for their own or their interests, they use modern technology operate corporate tasks from a single location basically they are not top heavy

the police however with its 43 empires and armies of duplicated support staff continue to costs millions of pounds in duplication of tasks, working against each other and reinventing the wheel, will things change yes but not for the better the police service in general is to inward looking and to full of its own importance to accept change, everything that good about policing takes part on the streets the officers out their doing what they do best, it falls apart everywhere else, its outdated and cumbersome management style, its costly way of operating, a government that dont like us and it now appears some chief constable have seen the writing on the wall, if G4S get these contracts who wants to take bets on the number of retired senior officers who taken up posts servicing these contracts

in the meantime rank and file can be seen slowly floating down the river

long rant but dont focus the arguments in the wrong areas this is all about getting policing done cheaply and for political control of how we operate the office of constable is on borrowed time, the winsor proposals show that, the fact forces re looking at private firms confirms it

isnt it strange how Chief officer opposed force mergers when their jobs were at risks but are happy to discuss selling the job to private industry who might need someone to run the contracts.or is that to cynical

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What a sodding travesty.

OCP by another name.

I can't help but feel we're being 'sold down the river'. One piece at a time.

This news has just reduced my morale another notch. Maybe it will be ok, but, and I'm sorry to say it, I don't see why I should 'play nicely' with anybody who doesn't wear the same uniform that I do and whose very existence, I perceive and believe, threatens the office that I hold.

I didn't take this job on to help make a private company a wodge of cash. Maybe I'm too old-fashioned and idealistic.

I am disconsolate at the 'prospects' that appear on the horizon.

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What a sodding travesty.

OCP by another name.

I can't help but feel we're being 'sold down the river'. One piece at a time.

This news has just reduced my morale another notch. Maybe it will be ok, but, and I'm sorry to say it, I don't see why I should 'play nicely' with anybody who doesn't wear the same uniform that I do and whose very existence, I perceive and believe, threatens the office that I hold.

I didn't take this job on to help make a private company a wodge of cash. Maybe I'm too old-fashioned and idealistic.

I am disconsolate at the 'prospects' that appear on the horizon.

ITYO I don't think you are old-fashioned or idealistic at all, just saying what many other officers are thinking/saying. I certainly would be saying the same as you if I was still serving

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