skydiver

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  1. Case files

    Potentially MG3, MG4, MG5, MG6T MG6c/d/e depending on force, court and anticipated plea, MG9, prosecutors prints and witness prints, MG16 pre cons/bad character.
  2. There's an interesting thread on PPRuNE (professional pilots rumour network) about NPAS, especially page 10 which has a table of costs and hours flown. http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/591848-npas-2017-news-10.html
  3. it really depends what he is looking for. If he is looking for a Midsummer Murders or Morse style murder mystery then it would be spot on but if he is trying to write a realistic police procedural then he is miles away from anything realistic.
  4. Nowadays you'd be lucky to get one overworked DC to cover a GBH let alone 2 DIs. Sergeants and Inspectors tend to have a management role in investigations and in their departments as opposed to being hands dealing with suspects and witnesses.
  5. Fitness Test

    Its not that hard but some people fail it due to problems with technique more than anything else. If you are concerned when your test comes let other people in the group go first, watch a few people and listen to the trainer's tips.
  6. We need some sort of representation but I joined the police to be a police officer not a Fed rep, but given that I am a paying member I expect them to try to act effectively on my behalf and quite frankly I very rarely see that from the national Fed. Locally they are quite effective so I have got some admiration for some officials but they are a laughing stock nationally. There is another old saying that if you own a dog why bark yourself.
  7. Ah the Fed's strongly worded letter, their main weapon of choice. I'm left wondering of if they are still keeping their fabled powder dry because I don't see much evidence of them doing anything effective to counter Tory spin regarding the police. May's response, if she deems it worthy to respond to, will be to repeat the mantra that finding is protected, police have adequate resources, funding has increased, reforms are working and crime is down with any increase being due to better recording, and last but not least they have fully approved the PRBs pay recommendation.
  8. Proofreader query on ranks

    Boss.
  9. When is a pay rise not a pay rise?

    NI and our pension contributions have also gone up in the last couple of years as well.
  10. When is a pay rise not a pay rise?

    May must have taken lessons from the DM and taken one small aspect of police pay and focused all her attention on it. Its a shame then that she didn't mention that the 1% bonus doesn't apply to unsocial hours payments or overtime and that it is going to be paid for from reserves or budget cuts. The much vaunted protected budget for my force means that our budget is falling year on year even before the effects of 2.8% inflation are taken into account.
  11. When is a pay rise not a pay rise?

    Lets contrast our pay situation with an MP's pay. They received an 11% pay rise three years ago after agreeing to reduce some of their expenses. They also agreed to link their future pay rises to the average rise in public sector pay. So far so good, however once their pay grew by 11% it also boosted their pensions as the expenses they had originally received would not have affected their pay and therefore wouldn't benefit their pensions. IIRC tax payers had to pay a few million £ into their pension pot in order to help keep it fully funded. Secondly linking their pay to public sector rises also mean that it would be affected by increments and changes to the national minimum wage. There is two problems with that. First Tories hate increments as they don't see why pay increases should be linked to time in a job, but they now seem happy to benefit from that system in terms of their own pay rises. Secondly a lot of public sector workers earn the NMW such as cooks, cleaners, drivers etc, so whenever the NMW goes up and remember the government has boosted that so that it has kept pace with inflation whilst the rest of public sector wages have been capped, MPs will benefit. That is why they have received a 1.5% and 1.4% pay rise since the 11% rise whilst the headline rate for police, teachers, nurses etc has been capped at 1%. MPs pay rises automatically yet ours is assessed by a so called independent pay remuneration board which seems to have recommended 2.8% this year yet the government has only awarded us 1% with the other 1% coming from further savings or force reserves. MP's pay awards are met in full by the tax payers and their pay and working conditions seems to defy reform, but when it comes to other people's pay they connive to minimise rises or to force reforms onto us which they seem immune to. What has happened to House of Commons and HoL reform? Nothing that's what. MP's numbers were supposed to be cut in the 2020 election but May has effectively delayed that by holding the early election before the Boundary commission had put its ideas out for consultation, whilst there have been stories in the papers that the cuts won't be introduced as they will affect the number of Tory constituencies which the Tories and their lack of overall parliamentary majority can't accept. HoL numbers defy cuts as well with the Lords growing in number almost every year, defying both common sense and reform. I think that I'm also right in saying that the number of politicians in the UK has grown massively since 1997 with devolution and directly elected mayors and PCCs etc. At the same time teaching has been reformed and we have gone through Winsor 1 and 2, yet our pay masters are beyond reform and and have set up a nice little pay accumulator which means they benefit no matter what happens in the wider economy.
  12. Change of Career

    You'll need to call the HR department and ask them.
  13. My force is part of an alliance but we are reducing cooperation with the other forces as the PCCs all have conflicting aims which are difficult to resolve across borders. I know the government has traditionally opposed mergers but it seems that their policy of imposing PCCs is also a barrier to some of the other levels of cooperation that they would like to see.
  14. The government definitely does a good job of giving the impression that they are deaf to our concerns about pay and a myriad number of other things such as the overall level of police funding, AFO numbers, assaults on officers etc. On pay we should be getting our annual rise now in September but they acknowledged back in June that they hadn't even looked at the PRB submission let alone decided on what we will get meaning that it will be at least December before we get it. Remember this comes for a government which back in May said that they would seriously consider pay awards of more than 1% but they then decided not to look at the recommendations for another 3 months. I worked out that had my pay kept pace with inflation I would have been over £4000 better off than now in gross terms,, whilst I have also lost take home pay due to NI and pension contribution increases. The 'protected' budget for my force is increasing at 0.3% pa when inflation is almost 3% so we are still making cuts and closing police stations, but all the easy cuts were done a long time ago. We've lost 10% of our work force since 2010 whilst the population has gone up by 10% during the same period. We're going through our third reorganisation in another vain attempt to match resources to demand but demand continually outstrips resources. Recent HMIC reports have said that we have been performing well but we've just had another inspection but I don't think we'll come out well from. On example that I've heard is that they made three attempts to report a crime and failed every time due to long call queues or no one manning a front desk. Demand isn't going down and partnership working doesn't seem to do a lot for the police particularly when other public sector bodies are facing budget cuts. In the face of that a decent budget increase and not the paltry 'protected' budget is required. I'd love to see some concrete proposals from the government but I'm not holding my breath.
  15. Change of Career

    I think candidates have to reapply for the next pool if they fail twice.
  16. Change of Career

    As I said earlier some forces have direct entry schemes to become a DC but most want PCs to be experienced in other police areas first. In my force you have to do two years in response or in a local investigation unit before being able to apply for other roles. At that point if we are recruiting DCs candidates have to apply and get through a paper sift with the successful ones being ranked in pools with the best ones getting the first positions as they become available. Most start work as DCs in the local investigation units as they deal with a broad range of crime from shop lifters to GBH and often get called in to assist complex when they are short of staff. Some new DCs go into specialist safeguarding departments straight away such as child abuse or sexual offences, but the DCs in the local units will get rotated through them after 2-3 years. New DCs have to take an advanced interview course which includes video interviews, as well as the NIE DC exam. We then have a 4 week CID course followed by a portfolio before finally qualifying as a fully fledged D. We are expected to do all that within 3 years but I aim to get mine done within 18 m of starting. We are only allowed 2 attempts at the NIE exam so if you fail both times you go back to being a PC.
  17. Change of Career

    Finances are looked at to see if officers would be open to corruption but small or manageable levels of debt are OK.
  18. Change of Career

    Most people with a basic level of fitness will cope with the fitness test but you can download a bleep test from the www if you want to practice. I'm not sure what I can suggest to help with the push/pull but again the target for that isn't high and unless your technique fails you it is easy to pass. Some forces run free 1/2 assessment centre course so its worth asking the force you are applying for or failing that google police assessment centre courses. At the moment you don't need any specific level of qualifications to join the police although that is going to change in the near future.
  19. Change of Career

    Some forces offer direct entry to become a DC but most current PCs are very cynical about that route. Most forces still expect new recruits to work on a response shift, neighbourhood or local investigation unit for at least two years whilst they build experience before applying to be a DC, but some forces such as the Met are struggling to fill DC roles so their attitude is different. Recruitment takes as long as it takes and can vary tremendously. My experience was good with the whole process from attending a recruitment night to being attested taking 12 months but I trained with people who had taken 2 years for the same process. Tightened budgets have also contributed to a start/stop long winded process nowadays. There were loads of steps for my recruitment from attending an open evening, taking a simple test, passing the paper sift (application form), medical, eyesight test, fitness test, assessment centre, vetting, and a final interview. You only get paid as a PC once you start work and also watch out for some forces which pay probationers different rates depending on whether they have previous police experience or not, although everyone moves to the same pay point after 6 months. An assessment centre course would be a good idea as the police assessment centre is nothing like any other assessment centre I have had experience of. Direct entry to Inspector is another very diversive topic just like direct entry DCs and again it is not popular among the rank and file.
  20. Realistic at my age?

    One more thing Rob. Your tutor will probably be a lot younger than you and I can guarantee that when you go to domestics people will look to you for advice rather than your tutor because you will look like the experienced one out of the two of you. Been there done that, but equally I often cringed when a 19 year old student I tutored tried to give marriage advice to a 40 year old couple, so it works both ways.
  21. Realistic at my age?

    Most probationers start on response then move on from there. I was on a cohort of about 22 people and I think that about 18 or 19 went straight onto response to be tutored and even those who were tutored in a neighbourhood shift moved over to response when they were signed off as independent. Most of the tick box stuff in the SOLAP folder is also easier to do on response than in other departments. I can't remember what SOLAP stands for but it is there to demonstrate your ability to do a range of activities needed in your role, such as arrests, presenting a prisoner to custody, statement taking, dealing with conflict etc etc. Things change though and now in my force students spend time on response and in a local investigation unit getting tutored swapping half way through their 10 week in company period, and remain in that unit for 6 months when they are signed off. I know some people who have never left response in 20 plus years whereas others move on as soon as they can as they hated it so much. I must admit that the novelty of having my baldness, glasses and my similarity to a ladies privates being pointed out constantly for hours on end does get boring sometimes.
  22. Realistic at my age?

    Opps just realised I called you Bob rather than Rob... Most people start on response partly because if you can hack that you can handle most other police roles in terms of the grief you get and the long hours. Response respond to grade 1 and 2 calls i.e. emergency and priority calls so fights, burglaries, shop theft, that sort of thing. It also involves dealing with missing people from your average truculent teenager in care to the 80 year old with dementia and although the former does get tedious you sometimes can come across child sexual exploitation and other serious crime as part of doing the initial response or debriefing them when they return. It also involves all manner of very tedious jobs such as constant watches in custody or bed watches in hospital, as well as scene preservation, or house to house. You also get pulled from pillar to post with control wanting you to finish every job before you're ready in order to go to the next one, as well as other departments wanting you to do their boring jobs for them. Depending on your force you may have a crime q to manage i.e. some more of the straight forward investigations that come your way, or you may work for a force where respond just respond, arrest and take statements before handing over. You may also do some shifts in the night time economy so prepared to get bored telling people that pregnant women can't piss in your helmet and having your picture taken with 1001 drunken revellers, as well as breaking up fights, refereeing arguments and arguing with people who think they know the law but quite obviously don't. Oh and driving fast after a 3 week standard driving course which is a massive amount of fun. Depending where you are based you may be a very long way from back up so you'll have to rely on your silver tongue, whit and sparkling repartee in order to avoid getting assaulted, or you may have 20 PCs just minutes away at the touch of an emergency button, both of which will sometimes influence the way you deal with people. Response used to be able to proactive work but those days have pretty much gone with all the cuts we've suffered, however you still may be able to deal with the odd drink driver. You sound realistic about the hours which is good and you are right in saying that you will have a lot more responsibility, but there is also a lot of scrutiny of what you are doing.
  23. Realistic at my age?

    Hi Bob. I joined 8 years ago as a 40 year old after working in a few other jobs since uni and to be honest I have loved every minute. Its hard work, it can be rewarding, its thankless, its boring and exciting, its funny, its disgusting, you see the best and worst of people, its perverse in that the pay is not nearly enough for the responsibility you have or for the effects you can have on peoples lives, the government generally don't support us and you'll miss a lot of your family. I took a big pay cut to join and now after 8 years I'm earning what I was prior to joining although when you take inflation into account my wages still haven't caught up. You'll also be working rolling shifts and doing a lot of lates and nights so you'll really have to be in the position of wanting to do the job if you take it on. I've spent most of my time on response, but I've had a a period regging as a temporary sergeant and I'm now a DC, so you can move around quite a bit and get experience in different areas and roles. IIRC you get your first increment after 12 months, although that may have changed due to government 'reforms, then every 12 m after that with top wack being achieved after 7 years. Also are you sure that your force starts on £22k because not all do. Good luck.
  24. If you have got such serious reservations now I'd say the job isn't for you and sometimes you have to act on a gut instinct so maybe that is the case now. There's no point going into a job where you can get into serious trouble or have a massive influence on someone's life whilst having second thoughts. I would also have thought that you could get a graduate job in another industry and get paid a lot more than with the police whilst having a lot less tress. I'd also say that although experience of an assessment day can stand you in good stead for other assessments, the police one is very different from just about every other assessment centre I've ever seen, so you may not be able to take too many lessons from it apart from teh ability to deal with the pressure of the day. Good luck whatever you decide.
  25. First Post Mortem

    That is a rare opportunity so I hope you are able to make the most of it.