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  1. Police Federation?

    I would take the CCC more seriously if they were up in arms about a whole host of other things in addition to the JBB review. Things such as industrial rights, the farce over the vote about industrial rights, the lack of democracy in the Fed, the overall poor performance of the JBB, and the capitulation over Winsor 1/2 and pensions. I don't recall much of an outcry from PC's about the review (maybe because we don't care or because its not as important to us as Winsor etc,) so I don't see why the CCC has picked this issue as a cause for rebellion. Unless the CCC widens its rebellion and picks up on some of these other issues it will either prove to be a flash in the pan or it will show that they are also out of touch with what angers the rank and file.
  2. Police Federation?

    KISS ie make membership of the JBB one member one vote. PCs, sergeants and Inspectors can still have their own specialist committees to address their own specific issues but a democratic JBB would run the Fed with no individual committee having untoward influence.
  3. Increment freeze-Had us over AGAIN!

    I always thought that Winsor's statement that it was unfair that two PCs doing the same job getting paid different amounts was spin and BS, with the original 2 year increment freeze going a long way to prove that. Any additional freeze will just exacerbate the situation he helped to exaggerate in the first place.
  4. Pay rise next month?

    Historically they have needed us on a regular basis which since the 80's at least, gave us the feeling that we were a special case or untouchable when it came to improvements in terms and conditions. The government is now showing us exactly who is boss and proving how little influence or power we have.
  5. We need clarity on this matter as we have already been subject to Winsor's 'reforms' as far as an increment freeze is concerned. In addition Osborne has already said that the new cutbacks to all government departments will not apply to the Police so will this mean that the progression pay freeze will not be applied to us? So far I haven't been able to find any info on the ramifications for our pay. The fed have sent out this press release but there is no mention of progression or increments.
  6. Ballot On Federation

    Your interpretation is correct as the freeze is just that i.e. we won't jump two years increments to take us back to where we should have been. In addition you will only be eligible for the next increment on the anniversary of your start date so unless you started in April you won't get an increase in April 2014 but will have to wait. Whilst everyone is talking about what they are missing out on has everyone made sure their tax codes are up to date and that they are claiming the maximum amount of tax back for uniform cleaning and Fed subscriptions?
  7. Ballot On Federation

    Some of the debates on here at the moment remind of Life of Brian. BRIAN: Are you the Judean People's Front? REG: f**k off! BRIAN: What? REG: Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk. FRANCIS: w**kers. BRIAN: Can I... join your group? REG: No. Piss off. BRIAN: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody. PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh. REG: Stumm. JUDITH: Are you sure? BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already. REG: Listen. If you wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans. BRIAN: I do! REG: Oh, yeah? How much? BRIAN: A lot! REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f*****g Judean People's Front. P.F.J.: Yeah... JUDITH: Splitters. P.F.J.: Splitters... FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front. P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters... LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea. P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters... REG: What? LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters. REG: We're the People's Front of Judea! LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front. REG: People's Front! C-huh. FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg? REG: He's over there. P.F.J.: Splitter! In the end we need to remember who the real enemy is and it isn't those with less then 10 years to go or those who are young in service, its the Government.
  8. Ballot On Federation

    So if an earlier agreement to preserve the housing allowance can' be changed how can HMG now change almost everything else about our contract and pay? TBH though I'm sure I remember Winsor saying that the allowance was relatively speaking, a small amount of money so scrapping it would save very little.
  9. No More Insp. Gadget

    Interesting one blog he says never ever speak to the police under any circumstances then in another he publishes a 'guide' on how to get the police to turn out to an incident that the i/p is involved in. Wally!
  10. Career In Police

    I joined a couple of years ago as a 40 year old looking for a new challenge. I'd been earning a good wage in a very easy but dead end job but I wanted something different, harder and more rewarding. At the time I could afford the pay cut to £23,000 but now £19k would be too big a cut for me to manage. I don't like the anti police rhetoric from the government, I don't like their lies and exaggerations, I don't like Winsor, and I don't like the other changes to make it harder for the general public to join. I don't like the policy of internal recruitment only or that people have to pay for their own training. All in all the current hoops people have to go through to join would mean that I would not recommend the job to anyone in my position.
  11. Ballot On Federation

    Also bear in mind that governments since the 1980's have by and large been pro police so i can't imagine that negotiations were that difficult or demanding. That has lulled the Fed into a false sense of security so when life turned more difficult they were found out to be weak and ill equipped to deal with a determined opponent.
  12. Pay rise next month?

    Given that the Government has done everything in its power to minimise the effect of the unsocial hours payment and the length of time of the increment freeze, I would not be surprised if we received less than 1% rise if we receive anything at all. The unsocial hours payment is for a full hours work only which is a shame when our jobs don't work in full hour blocks. I often miss out on a small part of the payment due to me because I would rather go home when the job finishes rather than sitting around for an extra 1/2 just to get the 10% for a full hours work. Then with the increment freeze the actual individual end date coincides with the start date with the police, so if you started in April of any given year you should get your increment almost straight away but if you started in March you will have to wait another 11 months before receiving it.
  13. Ballot On Federation

    Subs (and the 'benefits linked to subs) are voluntary but everyone under the rank of Super is automatically a member of the Fed as soon as they join the job. Opting out is not an option no matter you say or do. Unfortunately that means the Fed can still claim to be speaking for me even though I have very little confidence in their ability to fight their way out of a wet paper bag now that the Tories want to show us who is boss.
  14. Ballot on Industrial Rights

    I thought the Fed were going to propose two options in the ballot, including the possibility of industrial rights if HMG introduced VR, but what happened to this second option. I don't recall the Fed saying or doing anything about it after it was first mooted. The Fed proclaimed this as some sort of victory over HMG when in reality all public sector employees got the same or similar degree of protection for those nearing the end of their careers, so it was no triumph on behalf of the Fed. Whilst acknowledging that the Fed are limited in what they can and can't do I would like to see them being more proactive and imaginative with what they do. As above really. We are constantly on the receiving end of a constant drip of negative publicity which currently is only defended by bland corporate statements from individual police forces. A creative PR campaign using ads in the main stream media or even some high profile pro police celebrities might help to deflect some of this publicity. An advert with a few facts about our so called gold plated pensions would be a good starting point. The Leatherhead hierarchy are pretty well paid for the jobs they do yet their performance when push has come to shove has been lamentable.
  15. Ballot on Industrial Rights

    My local Fed had the same attitude to the insurance they sell meaning that if you cancel your subs then they will cancel the group insurance. Our local Fed head honcho basically said what you said when he addressed my shift at a meeting to promote the ballet. I would pull out of the Fed but I am too scared to do so in case I need their legal assistance. Fear is a very poor reason to be a member of the organisation but given their recent performance, that is the only reason I keep paying. I hope they don't mistake that for some sort of endorsement of their work.
  16. No More Insp. Gadget

    A little more info here but its still not clear why he stopped and then deleted all the old blogs.
  17. Yep lead by example and delay the reform of their own pension scheme.��The poor dears have spent so much time reforming everyone else's pensions that they forgot to sort their own one out.
  18. I have thought for a long time that the Fed needs to be reformed. It acts with leaden feet and thinks that marches, speeches and strongly worded letters are enough to influence our current government. Unfortunately the Fed has never had to really fight for us as most governments by and large have been pro police and in the main have not hurt us too badly. That has now changed but the Fed hasn't and is ill equipped to deal with the current situation. As for reform I suggest the following. -Stop membership being compulsory. In that way people can withdraw subs AND completely withdraw from the Fed which will show who is genuinely interested in being a member. Currently if someone stops paying subs the Fed can still say that they represent them, even if many individual members are very anti Fed. -One member one vote for JCC elections. When Paul McKeever resigned I had no idea how he would be replaced, but it seems that a very small group of people chose his successor, so the new chairman only had to lobby or influence a few people to get elected. One person one vote would change the balance of power and would mean that elected officials would have to appeal to the entire membership in order to get elected. -Make votes/resolutions at the conference binding on the JCC. Again that would give the membership at large the opportunity to directly influence the JCC and would give power back to the constables and sergeants. -As Picard said make the power of the individual ranks proportionate , so those with the greatest numbers i.e. PC and sergeants has the balance of power. -Remove the honoria payments from JCC staff. At the moment these payments mean that they are insulated from the real changes which effect their members but if they were on the same pay as us they would feel the same effects as us. Similarly someone could stand for the JCC purely to get a pay rise, so removing it would show who is genuinely interested in representing us. I'm not against expenses or allowances which allow someone to do their job more effectively but I am against someone getting double bubble when they are only doing one job. I would also like to see local Fed boards lobbying all relevant local MPs to complement the efforts of their members. In addition the Fed needs to appoint a decent PR firm to help negate some of the negative publicity which is continuously flung our way by the mainstream media. Likewise I'd like to see them make some effort to take legal action in relation to pensions and other Winsor 'reforms' The Fed has plenty of reserves so please use them NOW when we need the help.
  19. Ballot on Industrial Rights

    Monday 4th March.
  20. Good start!!

    Before resigning she appeared to be in a position where she had three jobs. The deputy PCC as mentioned was one, then she worked as a consultant in the health service, followed by a role as a local town councilor. I wonder a) - how much she earnt in total for all three roles, and b where she found the time to do all three roles justice?
  21. Increment freeze-Had us over AGAIN!

    Do the two pension increases you mention also include the rise in national insurance that we'll also be faced with? For those who aren't aware people who are contracted out of SERPS e.g. police officers, will have to pay an extra 1% into NI from IIRC 2015. This won't benefit us in any way as the funds are going to be used to pay for a universal pension which will boost the pension of a wide range of people including the feckless work shy who already milk out system for all its worth. To be fair it will also boost the pensions of people such as working mothers who haven't had the opportunity to build up enough contributions to benefit from the current state second pension, which will redress an inequality, however it will create another inequality in order to do so, as we will have to pay more for something we won't directly benefit from.
  22. Police Federation?

    OK to clarify when I mentioned 'jollys' I was not referring to branch board members going to Brighton but individual officers who in my county at least, get a free bus and some spending money for a pint out of local Fed funds.
  23. Police Federation?

    The subs pay for legal cover and give access to local health or insurance schemes as well as the annual jolly to Brighton for the conference. Apart from that all ranks up to C/Inspector automatically become members of the Fed when they join the job and cannot withdraw from it. Personally I remain a paying member of the Fed not because of the 'fantastic' lobbying they do to protect our interests, but out of fear. That is the fear of a malicious complaint and the thought that I would need the legal cover provided by the subs. I would like to pay the subs for a more positive reason i.e. the job that the Fed does on a national level but as that doesn't happen I continue to pay for a much more negative reason. Judging from what people on my shift say it appears that I'm not the only one who thinks the same and I think that it is a poor reflection on our staff association that many people pay them a substantial amount each year yet don't have faith in the leadership or work of the organisation
  24. Police Federation?

    You can't quit an organisation of which you are a compulsory member. The subscription is voluntary but every PC becomes a member as soon as they join the job.
  25. Back home with you!

    Didn't you Ozzies also depart a mid 50's paedophile back to the UK a couple of years ago stating the same reason? He'd lived in oz all his life but was born in the UK and was not an citizen so once his sentence finished you sent him back.