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  1. But only after an Inspector has authorised the original 28 days. The fact is that any remotely complicated investigation will require numerous bail authorisations and extensions which will take up increasing amounts of time as the level of authority gets higher. I think that the old system should have been tweaked rather than these wholesale changes being made as they do very little to protect to victims but do a lot more to protect suspects.
  2. I wonder what the Fed were telling the government 12-18 months ago when this was first mooted because its little late now to do anything about it. The CoP also seemed to have dropped the ball when it cam to lobbying about this issue as they only seemed to wake up to the potential pitfalls of the changes about 3 months ago.
  3. Can't be cheaper than using cars seized from criminals as we do. There never are enough vehicles available though even when we complement the fleet with a few hire cars.
  4. Pros - cost and speed (getting on station quicker and being able to cover a wider area faster), use less aeroplanes to cover a wider area in comparison to a helicopter. Cons - speed (can't hover as Zulu pointed out),can't land on a six pence, can't mount or use searchlights like a helicopter(?)
  5. Direct entry Supers and Inspectors with non British applicants for chief constable roles being courted and now the MPS is recruiting direct entry DCs! Their argument is that not everyone wants to have a fight on a Saturday night as a starting point in the police before being able to specialise so recruitment directly as a DC will encourage different and new people to apply. Personally I think this will water down the universal nature of the role of constable which means that we are flexible and can do almost any job thrown at us which allows back filling when the proverbial hits the fan. The flip side of that is that many of us are Jack of all trades which means that talent gets smothered. It will also mean that these new direct entry DCs will be less likely to get their hands dirty dealing with their own arrests and prisoners because they won't have had the experience of fighting with someone if push comes to shove, neither will they have experience of golden hour investigation or the practical use of the building blocks at the start of an incident. They won't know about the tedium of scene pres, bed watches or constants, all of which uniform do on behalf of DCs, but at least if they started uniform they will have an appreciation of those mundane tasks. It will reinforce a them and us attitude and divide uniform even more firmly from DCs whilst they'll be recruiting DCs who haven't experienced the basic skills of the job.
  6. I've just had a period acting up on response and it was the hardest and most intense period of work I have done since joining, including the 4 years I did on response as a PC. I'm now a t/DC and the contrast between the intensity and work requirements of the two roles is poles apart. We have an interesting problem in the police in that some specialist roles such as DCs are getting harder and harder to fill in some forces, yet numbers interested in joining the police have only seen a small decline. A career in the police is still seen as an attractive job but there is some government research showing that numbers applying to be PCs are starting to reduce. Once in though people see the reality of some of the roles and actively shy away from applying for them, such as being a DC in some forces. My force seems to attract a reasonable number of people when we run DCs application processes having run three in the last two years to bolster numbers although I'm not sure how many we needed to recruit. I do know though that people weren't particularly interested in transferring to us as when we advertised only a handful applied and we only took on two from other forces. Both Hampshire and the MPS have started advertising externally for direct entry DCs to try to plug gaps in their ranks. It would also be interesting to see what the score is for other specialisms such as firearms and to get an idea about interest in joining those teams. From what I've read there seem to be problems with DC recruitment and retention because of pay although that can be applied across the board, work load, constant beasting from HMG and HMIC, blame culture, poor management, poor promotion prospects and poor training. These issues need to be fixed soon or the problems will get worse. Gimmicks like external direct entry will only paper over cracks and won't address the core problem.
  7. TBH Zulu I agree with you but I also think that some shops have the capacity to help themselves a lot more by deterring known shop lifters. 2todo also makes a valid point about cutbacks leaving the front line bare. I'll give you two examples from my force. Firstly we are often taking 2 hours or more to get to shop lifters so shop staff sometimes release the thief before we get there. Secondly a couple of week ago we had two stabbings on a saturday night in the city centre but we didn't have any staff left to go to the local hospital when the second victim presented himself there although he had three stab wounds. Those situations were unthinkable a couple of years ago
  8. I wonder if Steve White noticed that very few departments other than the NHS, education and DFID got mentioned so the police weren't a special case. If I was him I wouldn't be too worried about this budget but I'd be lobbying the government now to head off the next round of cuts as HMG is talking about 3-6% budget cuts across all departments which presumably will be announced in the Autumn statement. We got off lightly 1 1/2 years ago due to the Paris attacks but the government has a short memory and probably thinks that we can sustain more cuts and as we know the largest departments such as health are reasonably well protected from cuts, whereas and despite the governments fine rhetoric, I don't think we are.
  9. Most of the DT story is almost word for word the same as the one carried by the Daily Fail so I wonder if it came from an agency and was just reprinted without any effort. I've heard that newspapers have had to cut back on the number of journalists they employ to cut costs so I wonder if they see the irony of reporting that the the police have had to reduce service in some areas due to budget cuts when newspapers have had to do the same. My force has toyed with doing the same thing and IIRC didn't Devon and Cornwall propose that they would stop dealing with petrol station bilkings last year? One positive side effect of this sort of policy is that larger shops at least might start trying to deter shoplifters rather than watching them come in and walk out with their stash before reporting it to the police. I also heard a story on Five Live today about a journalist for Vice who had researched shoplifting and concluded that shoppies like to steal meat as 'everyone eats it,' it is expensive and easy to sell. He made his discovery sound as if it was some sort of ground breaking discovery rather than something any probationer learns in their first week.
  10. The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    Constabularies can't do everything and therefore are prioritising some areas whilst others slip down the pecking order. Many are having to make a choice between neighbourhood and response with both suffering but with one losing out more than the other. My force has prioritised neighbourhoods which means that when you take into account regular occurrences such as bed watches or constants some night shifts don't have any officers left after briefing. Safeguarding is however one area which seems to have been protected more than others but it has a lot of catching up to do to get to where it should be. In the meantime demands on police don't go down. HMG tends to forget that we are open 24/7 and that other organisations which have also suffered from cuts use us to respond to their incidents.
  11. A late wake up call perhaps.

    Protected means different things to different people. To the government its a nice headline figure to show how generous they have been and how much they love the police but that doesn't take into account the reality that inflation has eaten into the protection, that some of the funding increase comes from council tax precept increases which have different effects depending on which part of the country you live in, and that some of the protected funds have been top sliced to go into HMG's pet police projects and have therefore been diverted by them away from the front line.
  12. Notice period to resign

    One probie I knew resigned and was put on restricted duties to serve out his notice period but actually left within a couple of working days rather than at the end of 4 weeks. If someone is not happy and has become unmotivated they become a danger to everyone so there's no point having them hanging around.
  13. My force has run a campaign reminding us that assaults on officers are unacceptable but I don't think that either the CPS or the local Mags have the same attitude if the number of downgrades and pathetic sentences seen is anything to go by. I saw an article recently which highlighted a 4 years sentence for s.18 wounding handed out to a burglar who ran over a police officer leaving him with serious injuries. If the judge wanted to show the world that an assault on a police officer was a serious offence then the sentence should have been at least double that.
  14. One of my colleagues needs to deal with someone who lives in Scotland and is wanted for an offence in England but Police Scotland can't arrest him for us! My colleague therefore has two options, either to get a warrant or to go there and arrest him himself. Strangely enough we can arrest offenders here on behalf of Police Scotland though. The thought struck me that its probably easier to arrange to get someone arrested in France using a EAW than it is to get someone arrested in Scotland!
  15. Cheers YOd4 your explanation makes sense. I won't go into the details of the incident for obvious reasons except to say that it involved a lot of criminal damage and offensive weapons. It seems crazy to me that a suspect can disappear off to Scotland after committing an offence in England and for it to be so difficult to deal with them. In my example one of the suspects was detained in Scotland for another offence but all Police Scotland could do for us was to ask if he would stay for a voluntary interview. He declined so that was that.
  16. Where have they gone

    And me...
  17. How has the Police changed you as a person?

    JC is now in charge of the Labour Party so maybe your Dad shouldn't be too worried about the anti christ being in charge of the party although the way some people talk about him you'd think he was Satan incarnate. I was reading one of those free countryside magazines in a Drs surgery a short while ago. It contained an article about executions in our local prison, but the thing which struck a cord with me was that I am dealing with people with the same surnames now as were being executed in the 18th century. It may be that they're not from the same families but I did find it amusing that they might be some sort of descendent and that they have carried on the same fine family traditions.
  18. Research for script

    I'm not going to say anything more specific than England.
  19. Research for script

    Dan....Ask away.
  20. Direct Entry...Everything!

    I think I detect a touch of Sarcasm in your reply RM I'm not against trying new things in the police but what I don't like is to throw out things which are tried and tested and provide a good overall education. Working on response develops a lot of basic skills which help in the future wherever that officer ends up, but if you start in a specialist role you will have missed out on a lot of the basics as well as not having an understanding of what your response colleagues have to put up with on a 24/7 basis. All I can see this doing is widening the divide between uniform and no uniform roles as well as missing education in the basics of investigations such as trying to get the best early evidence from the rambling drunk at 3am.
  21. Role play exercises

    Each one has the same level of difficulty and will test your understanding of the competencies. The only thing that I can suggest is that you should be prepared for the role play to start as soon as the door opens so don't expect a gentle start from the actor.
  22. Research for script

    Oh and another thing most of us go by our first names when at work no matter if they are specials, PCs or DCs. That starts to change when people talk to sergeants or inspectors although that tends to be informal, as well as senior officers we don't know when things become more formal.
  23. Force Interview (Leicestershire)

    The competencies will come in useful as well as a good understanding of your application form, but its been a long time since my interview so don't take my response as gospel as things change. If it is the stage of the process you may find that its more of a rubber stamp exercise than make or break unless you say something really stupid. Good luck though.
  24. Research for script

    It depends who is talking to them. Most members of the public don't know the difference between a special and a PC so they'll use the same terms for both such as officer, plod, PC etc. Full time PCs refer to specials as specials or in writing SPC. Specials just like a full time PC get instructions from control, fellow officers, sergeants and Inspectors, depending on what is being asked.
  25. International Transfer

    Not yet. Seriously though, I love my job but there is a massive amount of anti police BS floating around. I can accept that from some of the buffoons we police but the lack of support from HMG annoys me.