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  1. That's an interesting summary but I think that Songman Kang maybe looking at the problem in a completely theoretical way as opposed to taking into account real government policies and the capacity for knew jerk reactions to incidents. Take his last point as an example. We could arrest and charge a lot more people but that wouldn't necessarily lead to a larger prison population as the government policy of the day may dictate out of court or none custodial sentences. Remember Ken Clarke when he was justice minister advocated just that sort of thing whereas his successors have emphasised incarceration.
  2. Its a sad indictment of society that NHS staff and paramedics can't be expected to get through their shifts without being assaulted.
  3. You are welcome. Try UK Cop Humour over on Facebook for a patch.
  4. They are optional and can be bought online and stuck on using velcro. Be warned though some police forces don't like them.
  5. I'm in a similar position and will have 8 years service in Nov so I went to PP6 i.e.£35127 this April.
  6. I saw the story via Bullshire and UK Cop Humour and saw that every comment on the Sun website was supportive of the police so I think that the intention to write an anti police story has backfired.
  7. What took them so long? Forces which use a mental health triage car seem to see a reduction in demand on their response officers and offer a more professional response to people with mental health problems. Demand for the service does however outstrip supply but at least when the car is available it does reduce demand. I assume from the article that it was probably NHS funding which the force was waiting for in order to employ the appropriate mental health nurse along side the police. If that is the case then it shows one of the problems with some partnership working i.e. waiting for other agencies to provide money or staff, but in the meantime we still have the burden of providing a response. Ideally this sort of service should be run entirely by the NHS and ambulance service as many mental health problems we respond to are not crime related.
  8. TBH the police probably would not look for anyone over 18 assuming there were no issues (mental health, self harm, suicide, honour based violence, suspicious circumstances etc) or at most would class them as low risk would would mean that we'd only carry out cursory checks.
  9. Cons: Having to arrest on new evidence Having to take up more time out of our limited time to make further arrests Having to find hard to find suspects a second time Losing the ability in some cases to impose relevant bail conditions Suspect centric rather than victim centric Bureaucratic with increasing amounts of time being needed for every additional extension New time limits don't take bottlenecks into account such as forensics or drugs tests let alone more complicated investigations such as indecent images or large scale fraud. Suspects not knowing if and when we are going to come back to make a further arrest Pros: Easy headline for the government so say that they are reforming the police Sledge hammer to crack a nut to reform the minority of times when bail has effectively been open ended.
  10. But only after an Inspector has authorised the original 28 days. The fact is that any remotely complicated investigation will require numerous bail authorisations and extensions which will take up increasing amounts of time as the level of authority gets higher. I think that the old system should have been tweaked rather than these wholesale changes being made as they do very little to protect to victims but do a lot more to protect suspects.
  11. I wonder what the Fed were telling the government 12-18 months ago when this was first mooted because its little late now to do anything about it. The CoP also seemed to have dropped the ball when it cam to lobbying about this issue as they only seemed to wake up to the potential pitfalls of the changes about 3 months ago.
  12. Can't be cheaper than using cars seized from criminals as we do. There never are enough vehicles available though even when we complement the fleet with a few hire cars.
  13. Pros - cost and speed (getting on station quicker and being able to cover a wider area faster), use less aeroplanes to cover a wider area in comparison to a helicopter. Cons - speed (can't hover as Zulu pointed out),can't land on a six pence, can't mount or use searchlights like a helicopter(?)
  14. I've just had a period acting up on response and it was the hardest and most intense period of work I have done since joining, including the 4 years I did on response as a PC. I'm now a t/DC and the contrast between the intensity and work requirements of the two roles is poles apart. We have an interesting problem in the police in that some specialist roles such as DCs are getting harder and harder to fill in some forces, yet numbers interested in joining the police have only seen a small decline. A career in the police is still seen as an attractive job but there is some government research showing that numbers applying to be PCs are starting to reduce. Once in though people see the reality of some of the roles and actively shy away from applying for them, such as being a DC in some forces. My force seems to attract a reasonable number of people when we run DCs application processes having run three in the last two years to bolster numbers although I'm not sure how many we needed to recruit. I do know though that people weren't particularly interested in transferring to us as when we advertised only a handful applied and we only took on two from other forces. Both Hampshire and the MPS have started advertising externally for direct entry DCs to try to plug gaps in their ranks. It would also be interesting to see what the score is for other specialisms such as firearms and to get an idea about interest in joining those teams. From what I've read there seem to be problems with DC recruitment and retention because of pay although that can be applied across the board, work load, constant beasting from HMG and HMIC, blame culture, poor management, poor promotion prospects and poor training. These issues need to be fixed soon or the problems will get worse. Gimmicks like external direct entry will only paper over cracks and won't address the core problem.
  15. TBH Zulu I agree with you but I also think that some shops have the capacity to help themselves a lot more by deterring known shop lifters. 2todo also makes a valid point about cutbacks leaving the front line bare. I'll give you two examples from my force. Firstly we are often taking 2 hours or more to get to shop lifters so shop staff sometimes release the thief before we get there. Secondly a couple of week ago we had two stabbings on a saturday night in the city centre but we didn't have any staff left to go to the local hospital when the second victim presented himself there although he had three stab wounds. Those situations were unthinkable a couple of years ago