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  1. If you have got such serious reservations now I'd say the job isn't for you and sometimes you have to act on a gut instinct so maybe that is the case now. There's no point going into a job where you can get into serious trouble or have a massive influence on someone's life whilst having second thoughts. I would also have thought that you could get a graduate job in another industry and get paid a lot more than with the police whilst having a lot less tress. I'd also say that although experience of an assessment day can stand you in good stead for other assessments, the police one is very different from just about every other assessment centre I've ever seen, so you may not be able to take too many lessons from it apart from teh ability to deal with the pressure of the day. Good luck whatever you decide.
  2. First Post Mortem

    That is a rare opportunity so I hope you are able to make the most of it.
  3. I would find the headlong rush to praise the police and to demand more resources amusing if it wasn't for the tragic circumstances which brought about the calls. Even the DM questioned the cuts in one article although normal service was quickly resumed with articles criticising the police for taking too long to ID the victims and because we hadn't kept track on the suspects. I never heard Labour jumping to our defence prior to the election but May's comments reminding voters that Labour called for 10% cuts to the police in 2015 when the Tories were discussing 20-40% cuts to our budget were extremely hypercritical and self serving. We were only saved from 20% plus cuts because of the Paris attacks which would have been on top of 20% cuts already imposed by the Tories.
  4. I tutored a former PCSO who had to take quite a substantial pay cut to become a PC although in the long run it was financially beneficial for him to make the move.
  5. Zulu are you sure that Labour cut the police budget? I thought that we had the highest budget and numbers of PCs whilst we had a Labour government with the ConDems cutting our budget in order to help tackle the banking crisis. I haven't however forgotten that Jacqui Smith tried to defer or spread out a police pay rise. Back OT. Come 0300 on a Tuesday morning my force has approximately 18 PCs, 3 or 4 sergeants and one Inspector to cover 1m people and 800,000 square miles. The local motorway is covered by AFOs rather than dedicated traffic officers at that time of the morning and there is only one dog available, although that can also be called to a neighbouring county. I'd often parade zero officers for my area on a night shift by the time a scene pres, constant or a bed watch or two had been covered.
  6. Walk The Beat

    Yes some still do.
  7. What changes in behaviour have people seen since the new bail act came into place? In April my force bailed 3 people with everyone else being released under investigation so bail use has plummeted. One unintended side effect was highlighted by a solicitor who was asking me about property I had seized from his client who had been RUI with the solicitor predicting taht it would probably take me longer to get it triaged now without a bail date being in place than under the previous system as I wouldn't have a firm deadline to work to. The new system for granting bail is also taking a long time to bed in with some Inspectors and custody sergeants being at odds about the rules particularly over the proportionality of certain measure.
  8. Pay scale and shift allowance

    I used to get around £80 pm unsocial hours pay when it as first introduced, but I was on a 2 2 2 pattern in a county force. I'm pretty sure pay scale moves are on the anniversary of your starting date.
  9. Recruitment timescales vary from force to force and the economic situation or backlog of current recruits. My recruitment took 12 months from attending an open evening to being attested but I was on a cohort with people where the same process had taken over 2 years. I had to attend a recruitment night, pass a simple test on the night in order to get an application form, spend ages on the form as it was nothing like any other job application I had ever seen. Once that was accepted I had to attend and pass a 1/2 day assessment centre, undertake vetting, have a medical and eyesight test, pass a final interview and pass the initial fitness test. Once in I was enrolled in a 2 year degree course of which 6 months was spent in the local uni and at force headquarters, working in the community, learning police skills, passing tests, writing loads of essays and taking part in lots of legal and academic presentations. After the 6 months was up I did 10 weeks in company with a tutor doing hands on police work. That was the most enjoyable part of the course because I was finally able to do what I wanted to do and what I was being paid to do i.e. be a PC. Once the in company period was passed ( no one failed in my cohort but two people dropped out at this stage) I had the balance of the two years to finish my SOLAP folder and to write 4 more essays for the degree side of the training. My SOLAP took about 8 months to finish. After 2 years I was confirmed in the rank of PC. My force has a PDU (police development unit) made up of PCs who assist with the SOLAP folder and try to do the odd shift with probationers. Other than that PCs learn from their shift. I started working in my nick after 6 months and no I didn't get a choice of where to work. People from my cohort ended up all over the city and county which didn't always take into account of where they lived so some had long journeys to work. I've effectively stayed covering the same area that I started in, albeit I've moved stations and job roles. Daily routine varies depending on the nick, job, experience level and time of day and day of the week. I started on response and did a 2 2 2 pattern i.e. 2 earlies 7-am 4 or 5 pm, 2 lates 3pm - 11pm, 2 nights 10 pm - 7 am followed by 4 days off, but there were also sub patterns to that. The newbie always makes drinks for the shift and newbies always get jobs which are character building or good for developing experience, which also happen to be the jobs no one else wants....Response officers look after grade 1 and 2 job (immediate response and response within 1 hour), missing people, some ASB, burglaries, some traffic, concern for welfare, night time economy foot patrols, some proactive work, statement taking, out of force enquiries, arrest requests, handover prisoners, constants in custody and bed watches in hospital. Basically no two days are the same and you never know what to expect when you go into work. Quite a bit of that work has changed over the years as things like handovers always go to dedicated investigation units and no one on response gets much chance to do anything proactive or traffic related any more as they just don't have enough staff and are rushed off their feet attending grade 1 and 2 jobs. The city LPU commander (local police unit) was a superintendent worked in my nick but it was rare to see him. The station Inspector was however a regular sight, but 99% of daily supervisory was down to the two shifts sergeants and initially my tutor constable. Response Inspectors would get involved in big jobs (high risk missing people, nasty assaults etc). Loads of civis also worked in that nick but on different floors so I'd barely see them. There are marked vans and cars in each area. You have to have a basic driving authority just to drive a marked car but you must have a standard authority to use blues and twos. That is achieved after a 3 week intensive driving course. Time is spent split between single crewed and being double crewed. Double crewing is more common at night but with staff cuts, single crewing is more and more prevalent nowadays. Call signs go with the vehicle. Local council CCTV is accessed by police on the radio, a phone call or a personal visit. Discipline can be a can of worms which I won't go into detail about other than to say that some issues can be dealt with by informal words of advice whilst others have to be dealt with more formally by the sergeant or inspector, whilst a few have to go through PSD or even the IPCC. There is a lot more than can be said in response to all of your questions so my answers are only a brief summary and are applicable to my experience on one shift in one nick and in one role. One last thing though, my first day in company was a combination of pride and absolute terror and nervousness.
  10. Specials being sent to ambulance calls

    There are so many things wrong with policies which encourage police to take on work from other organisations whether it is PCSOs taking on the role of retained firefighters in Devon, joint police and fire patrols in Northants and specials being trained as first responders in Hants. We should be trying to shift work back to the appropriate organisations rather than taking on more work from them. We already respond to mental health problems and mispers from hospitals and children's homes, concern for welfare for social services and now fires and as a dedicated first response. Some one needs to stand their ground and say no when people come knocking on our doors asking us to do their work for them. We have enough to do for our own work with an increasing population and growing crime q's without doing the work of other organisations. You never hear about ambulance crews responding to a shop lifter so why should be provide a specific first response to a health problem. I'm not saying that we shouldn't provide first aid when we come across injured people but we shouldn't be going out of our way to provide a dedicated albeit relatively untrained response to a health problem.
  11. This is a half decent article about the increase in knife crime https://www.theguardian.com/membership/commentisfree/2017/may/01/knife-crime-crisis-national-solutions-london which points out there are differences between the pattern in London as opposed to the rest of the country.
  12. The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    That's an interesting summary but I think that Songman Kang maybe looking at the problem in a completely theoretical way as opposed to taking into account real government policies and the capacity for knew jerk reactions to incidents. Take his last point as an example. We could arrest and charge a lot more people but that wouldn't necessarily lead to a larger prison population as the government policy of the day may dictate out of court or none custodial sentences. Remember Ken Clarke when he was justice minister advocated just that sort of thing whereas his successors have emphasised incarceration.
  13. Its a sad indictment of society that NHS staff and paramedics can't be expected to get through their shifts without being assaulted.
  14. You are welcome. Try UK Cop Humour over on Facebook for a patch.
  15. They are optional and can be bought online and stuck on using velcro. Be warned though some police forces don't like them.