oldcopper

Resident Members
  • Content count

    3,873
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    121

Everything posted by oldcopper

  1. Judges rule on Brexit

    Oddly enough, most of the Brexiteers I know are not moaning about the judges decision on Article 50 and (like myself) agree that the matter of putting the issue regarding Article 50 before Parliament is correct from a legal and procedural point of view. So far as my attitude to how police officers responded to what Winsor did to their terms and conditions etc. that was an entirely different matter as it did not involve the result of a democratic referendum or election.
  2. Judges rule on Brexit

    I note that the trend of refusing to accept democratic decisions continues to flourish. In Scotland we had a referendum about whether or not Scotland should separate from the UK and when the majority of voters decided that we should remain in the UK those who were of the opposite opinion declined to accept the result and continue to ask for another one so they can get the result they want. The recent referendum on Brexit has had much the same effect and now we have people demonstrating on the street of US cities because Donald Trump has won the Presidency of the Country by means of the democratic voting system in vogue there. I'm no fan of Trump but at the end of the day we have to agree that the voters of the US have have spoken. Some people only seem to want democracy if it suits their personal purpose.
  3. Judges rule on Brexit

    I quite agree. It is right and proper that everything should be done correctly and according to the book to prevent further problems in future years and I fully expect HMG will lose the forthcoming appeal to the Supreme Court which will be decided on legal and procedural issues. However, when the matter comes before Parliament I would hope the MPs would honour the result of the Referendum. If they fail to do it will indicate that democracy is little more than a facade in the UK.
  4. Judges rule on Brexit

    Obviously those of us who voted to leave are annoyed that there are those who oppose the result of the referendum, even though it is not legally binding. Imagine the result of the referendum had gone in favour of those who wish to remain in the EU and those who wished to leave had protested about that to the level of those remainers who are currently endeavouring to put a spanner in the works. The remainers would have been shouting from the rooftops that those who wished to leave should be recognising the result of the referendum result to remain. And I know what I want so far as Brexit is concerned. I wish to be as far away as possible from a corrupt and failing EU whose banks and currency are about to collapse.
  5. Judges rule on Brexit

    On a balance of probabilities I suspect Ken Clark's assertion is probably true (although you never know) and suspect many of the Remainers are of similar opinion but are intent of making progress as difficult as possible and hope to delay Brexit for as long as possible. They remind me of spoilt children who are stamping their feet because they are not getting their own way. I expect HMG will lose its appeal against yesterday's decision of the judges and the matter may well drag on for some time before Article 50 is triggered and the issue comes before Parliament. All this will be costly and will not help our case when it comes to negotiating the best deal for the EU when it eventually comes to negotiating the circumstances under which we leave the EU. If the matter does come before Parliament I hope not too much of our negotiating strategy is revealed. One of the most stupid aspects of this matter is that the Remainers wish our plans in this regard to be made public.
  6. Judges rule on Brexit

    I know that's not the way our laws are made but those we elect to Parliament should take account of the public view of issues and I hope that when this one comes before Parliament they remember what democracy is and what the public voted for in the Referendum. While I agree that the result of a referendum is not legally binding I would point out once again that our MPs voted 6-1 to have such a referendum. If they were as keen as that I would hope they will take account of the result if and when the time comes for them to do so. If they wish to have referenda and then simply ignore the result then what is the point of going to all the expense and trouble of having one?
  7. Judges rule on Brexit

    I know the result of a referendum is not legally binding but it appears MPs voted 6-1 to hold the referendum so IMHO they should be willing to abide with its result.
  8. Judges rule on Brexit

    What illegality do you think may have occurred? What I think has clearly happened here is that the court has affirmed that it would be ultra vires for HMG to trigger Article 50 without consulting Parliament. Courts exist for the purpose of making such decisions and we shall just have to see how the scenario pans out in the long term.
  9. Judges rule on Brexit

    Doubt if there will be much of `clean and fair.' If those concerned had been of that mindset they would have accepted the result of the Referendum.
  10. Judges rule on Brexit

    I voted to leave and hope HMG wins its decision. If Parliament does vote on the issue I would imagine a great many MPs would find it hard to go against the will of the people as expressed in the referenduM and would vote to trugger Article 50. However, you never know. By going back on the decision to leave the EU we would be failing to look to the long term and I am afraid my view would be that we would deserve all we get when the EU and its currency falls appart in the not too distant future.
  11. Orgreave Inquiry

    I have not deleted anything either and I saw my last post to which Zulu replied.
  12. Orgreave Inquiry

    Sorry, but my memory must be failing. What, exactly did the Tories tell the police to do re the Miners' Strike? I can only remember being told that we were to do our sworn duty and keep the peace which is what I did, or tried to do, even outwith the Miners' Strike and I can't say I saw any police officer doing anything other than that. I don't know if you were involved in policing this particular strike but would be interested to know how you would have had those of us we were involved deal with disorder on such a major scale.
  13. Brexit reversal attempt

    I note that the head of the World Trade Organisation is now saying the UK will prosper after leaving the EU. He was singing from a different hymn sheet on the days leading up to the Referendum on the EU but now appears to have had a Road to Damascus conversion and is warning advising EU states to cooperate with the Uk and give us good trading deals when we leave, lest they harm their own economies. I wonder what changed his mind. Could it be that some people always want to be on the winning side?
  14. Scottish Fiscal debt

    As a resident of Scotland and one of its electorate, I shall be happy to convey your feelings to Ms Sturgeon if I ever meet her face to face. You are, of course, correct about the financial situation and I also agree with your comments about those Scots living in England being entitled to a vote in any future referendum. The problem is that there exists in Scotland a hard core of Scottish Nationalists who see so-called `independence' as an end in itself and would be happy to see Scotland split from the rest of the UK even if it has detrimental effects for the Scottish economy. I regret that those Unionist leaning politicians in Scotland do not publicise the realities of the harm breaking up the UK would cause Scotland.
  15. Brexit reversal attempt

    Europe is weakened anyway, even if we remained part of it. I have just been reading in some of the financials about the parlous conditions of several of the banks within EU countries and, particularly, those of Italy and similar prominent countries which seem on the very edge of failure. I believe their collapse is inevitable and suspect that, as a result, the EU will be glad to trade with us on terms favourable to the UK.
  16. Brexit reversal attempt

    Yes, I think dealing with non-EU countries with whom we may wish to trade will be a much smoother procedure. As BR says, it will normally be on a one-to-one basis and that alone should make the process easier. I understand the number of such countries wishing to do business with us is growing and that can't be bad. However, it looks to me as if some EU leaders and certain parts of the EU will be obstructive and deliberately seek to delay our final exit. I have no doubt we shall be able to deal with them. It only indicates that the EU is most worried about our departure and if they had given Cameron a decent deal when he sought one prior to the Referendum this might not be happening.
  17. No more eyesight requirements!!

    I can envisage the day when you just won't need qualifications of any sort to enter the Police Service.
  18. Police Scotland Officers

    Nothing that happens (or doesn't happen) within Policescotland surprises me any more. The Force is a complete mess and just about every one of its officers I speak with tell me this. Morale is very low and there is absolutely no pride in being a member of Policecotland.
  19. Brexit reversal attempt

    Even if we leave the EU it does not mean we wil not trade with those countries who remain (for the meatime) within the EU. I believe we shall continue to trade with EU countries, although perhaps under different conditions. We have a much larger economy than Canada and as we purchase more from the EU than they do from us it will be in the interests of the EU to arrive at a mutually convenient agreement with an independent UK. If the EU imposes tariffs on the goods we export into its member countries then I am certain we shall reciprocate by applying similar tariffs to the goods they export to the UK. For the EU to ban us completely from trading with its member countries or impose stringent tariffs for the sake of punishing the UK for having the temerity to leave the EU would be tantamount to biting one's nose off to spite one's face. I understand that several business organisations within the EU, such as German car manufacturers, have already made it plain that it would be in the EU's interests to arrive at a generous accommodation with an independent UK.
  20. Brexit reversal attempt

    It will certainly be interesting to see what the learned judges have to say about the issues you mention but the PM seems to be suprememely confident that Article 50 will be triggered in the near future and that the UK will leave the EU. I does not surprise me that, if we do leave the EU, we should continue to use the laws of that Organisation for a time. This seems the practical thing to do and I have little doubt that, as you say, we will gradually and carefully repeal those parts of EU law we do not wish to continue with, I would not have expected an overnight change in this aspect. However, I continue to be amazed at the number of people still wishing to remain in the EU and regarding it as a credible organisation. A few days ago Otmar Issing, former Chief Economist of the European Central Bank, announced that the Euro is a doomed currency and headed for collapse in the not too distant future due to the incompetance, inefficiency and profilgacy of a number of European Banks and EU member states. This announcement received little publicity given the gravity of its prediction from a man who was one of the architects of the Euro and must surely be ragrded as an expert by those (including myself) who are interested in what experts have to say on such matters. So it it because he is not the harbinger of good news about the future of the EU and its currency that his opinion received little attention or is he someone not worthy of listening to? To my mind his view should have been front page news, given the situation we currently find ourselves in.
  21. The General Effectiveness Of The Police

    The only true and accurate way to determine how effective the police would be to withdraw from the streets for a few days, having previously advertised their absence, and compare what life was like before and during the period of withdrawal.
  22. Brexit reversal attempt

    Not all economists say that and, as I have said before, they and other experts have been wrong on what would happen after happen to our economy immediately after a vote to leave and before we actually left. I don't think it would be wise to advertise the specific terms of our extraction strategy as that would surely give those with whom we shall be negotiating an advantage over us. For the moment I think it would be best to state that it is intended to obtain the best deal possible.
  23. Brexit reversal attempt

    All the Brexit pessimists will be sad th learn that a newly published report from the Institute of Economic Affairs confidently predicts that, after Brexit, it will be easier for the UK to purchase food from around the world which will have the effect of bringing food prices down in the UK. The report also criticises the great expense of the CAP and restrictive EU regulations relating to food and agriculture which make food prices in the UK unnecessarily high. Sounds logical to me that if we can trade more freely with other food producing countries our food prices will be likely to reduce. And for those who (understandably) like to hear it from an expert, the report was compiled by a Government adviser called Sean Rickard who is a former chief economist employed by the NFU. A chap who should know a thing or two about such matters?
  24. Old Africa Hand

    Hope you have many more to come
  25. Brexit reversal attempt

    Many of these experts predicted an economic Armageddon immediately following a vote to leave the EU and this has not happened. The stock market has soared (s0mething they did not foretell) and many businesses are doing well due to the fact that Sterling has fallen, making our exports less expensive and more attractive to overseas markets. Of course there are some losers and I voted Leave in full anticipation that there would be some rough times ahead. It would be naive not to expect a downside in some aspects. However, remaining in the EU meant being in bed with some countries like Greece, Italy etc and my reasoning was that it would be unwise not to leave a sinking ship while the opportunity was there. Incidentally, is the fall in the value of Sterling ENTIRELY due to Brexit. I see some suggestions that Sterling may had been overvalued pre-Brexit and that the injection of many £billions via QE some years ago may well be a contributory factor.