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  1. Totally agree with regard to references. Few people provide the name of someone as a referee without having first consulted them and ascertained that they will provide comments of a favourable nature. I have only heard of one instance of a referee failing to support the candidate. In my old force we always did unannounced home visits on candidates but I am informed this is no longer the case. There is little doubt in my mind that this aspect of enquiring into the background of candidates had deteriorated.
  2. An attack of this type was almost inevitable and, sadly, I suspect we shall see more. The lone wolf type of terrorist is probably the most difficult to deter. I am sure all our thoughts are with those who perished or were affected in any way by this incident and particularly the family of the deceased officer.
  3. We certainly lose our police powers and professional responsibilities when we retire and that that provides us with more of a choice about what to do if we witness a crime taking place. Again, it all depends on the circumstances. I was not long retired when I witnessed a couple of youths selling drugs to teenagers in a car park and, in all the prevailing circumstances, i chose to do nothing other than pass on information to the local police. However, I did intervene on an occasion when I witnessed a man knocking the living daylights out of a young woman and consider I took the correct action. Would you go to the assistance of a police officer who was being assaulted or pass by in the other side?
  4. Good point and I should say that when I was recounting the tale of the officer who was disciplined for not intervening in the pub fight, which I mentioned in my previous post, to a former colleague he reminded me that the officer concerned was also `done' for drinking in uniform, despite being off duty. The officer concerned was minus his police headgear and tunic and although he had a `civvy' jacket over his police shirt it was still visible and was wearing uniform trousers and police boots and was still recognisable as a police officer wearing part uniform to the extent that senior officers considered him to be `in uniform.' I suspect that had he intervened in the fight or 'phoned for assistance this aspect of the matter might have been overlooked but in all the circumstances he was also proceeded against for the drinking in uniform offence. I wonder how many officers have turned a blind eye to incidents due to them having consumed alcohol.
  5. I made many off-duty arrests during my service and considered it my duty to do so. It is difficult to ignore a thief coming out of a shop window display with a television under his arm or someone stabbing a passer-by. However, it is always wise to weigh up the circumstances in each case and in the example described it would probably be foolhardy to intervene immediately. I suspect it would be best to summon assistance of on-duty officers or go down the `intelligence' route. The wrong approach would be to say, ``I'm off duty,'' and do nothing. At least passing on intelligence is a form of intervention. I recollect an incident many years ago where a fight took place in a public house between 2 males who were quickly ejected from the premises by staff but continued their confrontation outside. On duty officers arrived and arrested them but while all this had been happening an on-duty officer was standing at the public bar quaffing a pint of the foaming ale while watching the combat. Someone reported this and, to cut a long story short, the officer concerned was dealt with under the Discipline Regs. for neglect of duty. His defence that he was off duty fell on deaf ears and he was told that, despite being off duty, he still had a duty as a sworn officer to take action. I take that would still be the case today.
  6. There could be some truth in that. In fact there has been some criticism of Police Scotland with regard to this issue but nothing much seems to change. I suspect it suits the political aims of certain factions to make it appear that crime is lower than it really is although a recent public survey in Scotland revealed that the vast majority of people do not believe the statistics.
  7. It may be hearsay but if it is then why are those serving officers (who are the root of the hearsay) telling lies?
  8. You allege this cannot happen any more but I know many officers who not only tell me that they deliberately fail to record crimes but are encouraged in this practice by their supervisors who, I understand, are under pressure from senior management to make it appear that there is less reported crime. If what you say is correct, a lot of my friends are telling lies.
  9. I believe it was a great mistake and injustice to put this Marine of trial in the first place and hope the fight may be continued in some way to eventually have his conviction overturned altogether. I hope that he and his family manage to recover from the injustice which I feel has been perpetrated against them and manage to live a normal life.
  10. It is a disgrace that the front line of your force was so depleted that the stabbings you refer to did not receive the attention they deserved. Did anyone inform the local/national press of this failing ? Has is become widely known in the area? I believe it is only when sufficient public anger and fear has been aroused that such matters will be properly addressed. The Federation should be feeding such stories as this to the Press as often as possible.
  11. Totally agree with you Zulu. The senior command of the UK Police Service have much culpability in what has happened to the Police Service. But if you are not of a certain mind-set I doubt if you would ever be permitted to attain those dizzy heights.
  12. Little wonder that regard for the police is much diminished in many places. I hear so many stories along these lines. Several people have told me that when police officers arrived at their homes/places of business in response to complaints of various types the police officers told them almost immediately that there was nothing they could do or tried to talk them out of making a formal complaint, the latter being along the lines of, ``There are no witnesses'' or ``We don't have much chance of catching anyone'' etc. etc. A couple of years ago I was in a neighbour's house when 2 police officers arrived in response to his complaint about theft of garden ornaments/furniture. The officers, from the very start, began to talk the neighbour out of complaining and although I thought their powers of persuasion were lacking they succeeded in their aim. Many complainers who receive this treatment conclude that the officers in question are simply lazy or incompetant and, although they may be correct in some instances, the real reason is that the Police Service appears to have lost its sense of priorities and forgotten that it is primarily a law enforcement organisation and not a social work department. Only 2 weeks ago I heard an experienced officer boast of his skill in talking people out of complaining and he said he always tried not record a crime that he did not think he could detect. This is all part of the same strategy about making it appear as if there is less crime than there really exists and that has surely had the effect of assisting HMG in reducing police establishments etc.
  13. In my part of the world the police continue to arrest and process shoplifters no matter how small the value of the stolen property is but many of these cases are dealt with by FPN and when they do come before a court the penalties are usually derisory to the extent that shoplifting has, to an extent. been legalised. I know of one female who appeared in a court and pleaded guilty to shopliting and admitted 8 previous convictions over the previous 2/3 years for the the crime. She was admonished on each occasion which means that although a conviction was recorded no penalty was imposed. No much encouragement there to make her think again about mending her ways.
  14. Judging by the number of young people applying to join the Police Service it would appear that there are many out there who would willingly work for the current salary and conditions offered to potential police officers and it would also appear many of those currently serving are willing to continue in the Service despite the ravages imposed on police pay, pensions and conditions of service over the past few years, not to speak of the reductions in manpower. Furthermore, they demonstrate on a daily basis that despite what has been done to them they are still willing to go the extra mile and stick their necks out to make sure the system continues to work and the public receives the best service possible under the circumstances currently prevailing. Given all the foregoing is it any wonder HMG continues to operate on a `policing on the cheap' basis? After all, we all like a bargain. If the public were in any way interested in the plight of the Police Service and those who work in it they would make an issue of the matter. but they don't because most MOPs seldom think about the police until they find themselves a victim of some crime or misfortune.
  15. I have yet to find anything that would give me cause to give Sturgeon praise. The while thing is a mess and that goes beyond policing and includes the NHS and Education in Scotland. Surgeon and the SNP are incapable of properly governing Scotland and, as she recently said, taking Scotland out of the UK transcends everything.