Reasonable Man

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  1. Bye bye UKIP

    All governments are criticised for the way they run public services so that means very little . The SNP got 50% of the votes in a very high turnout in their country so have an undeniable mandate to govern. UKIP got 12.5% of the votes but spread too thinly. And does any sane person honestly think that they are I a position to run a country? I wouldn't trust them to run for a bus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. Bye bye UKIP

    Of course not. They run a country and will continue to do so, independent or not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. Bye bye UKIP

    The 4 million UKIP voters where in the wrong places and spread too thinly. What UKIP did was create nervousness in the main parties, in particular the Tories, hence Cameron's promise to hold the referendum if he got voted in. Of course we all now know that that backfired on him. Anywho - the point is UKIP were formed to make the UK 'independent'. Now the UK will be, whatever that means, so no need for UKIP any longer. And if the local elections are anything to go by those 4 million votes will be down to 1 million or fewer come June 2017. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. Missing person mandatory information

    Had a case just like this. The family was told that the police were satisfied that the person concerned was safe and well but did not want their family to be told of their whereabouts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. I guess the savings have been proved by the hospitals and universities using the scheme. Unless they all choose to use a more expensive way. Surprisingly when I first changed my insurance for police use it was £3 cheaper!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. Constant false allegations

    Is that an injection to cure or to euthanise? [emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. Constant false allegations

    Why close any request for advice? There's a legal disclaimer and people can only advise based on the information provided. That is clear to the OP so not 'dangerous' at all. Virtually all other forums allow advice to be given. This one did not used to but now it is more moderately moderated then hopefully it will attract more people to join and we may get more than half a dozen posts a week on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. Constant false allegations

    There is not much you can do about what your husband reports but I would get each of the three of you to list what false reports etc he has made against each of you that only affected you as individuals. Then separately report those circumstances to the police as harassment. Insist that you are reporting a crime (each of you so that's three crimes) of Harassment. Insist that you want it recorded as a crime and you do not want it dealt with by him being given a warning or 'advice' or a PIN. Get a crime number. This doesn't mean the police can or will do anything but it will be on record that he is harassing you so should inform the way any further reports are dealt with. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    I've stuck rigidly to the topic until doing you the courtesy of answering a direct question. Constantly claiming any disagreement with your posts is an attack on the poster really doesn't take us anywhere. Anyway you have provided further evidence of where you gather your information to base your opinion of Ms Dick. It may not be at NARPO meetings but is at other social events. This still provides no indication that your opinion on the new Commissioner has any validity compared with the official scrutiny she has been subjected to. As I said we can all make up our own minds on the evidence available.
  10. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    You often tell us about your 30 years police experience, your membership of two NARPO groups and that you discuss policing issues with former colleagues. I'm just joining the dots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    Ms Dick's decision making in the de Menezes case was subject to the utmost scrutiny by several bodies tasked to do so. Including the (allegedly 'let's get the police at all costs' IPCC). At every turn she was found blameless. Her decision making in that case is used as a case study of good practice in the leadership courses delivered by the College of Policing. Now there may be a conspiracy by all bodies involved to protect Ms Dick at all cost. And we have Zulu's view from what he read in the papers and what he has discussed with ex colleagues at a NARPO meeting. We have to make up our own minds about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    I would intervene to prevent anyone from being assaulted, having assessed the risk (I don't think I would take on a dozen Hells Angels armed with knives and chains). That's being a good citizen IMO. I did exactly that as a 17 year old and used it as an example in my interview for the job. Three lads were picking on a black guy in a racist attack because he had white girlfriend, I saved the black guy from a beating as the bullies didn't think 3 v 2 was good enough odds for them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    I was once a cop but I am no longer. I left my powers and legal responsibilities with my warrant card when I retired. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. UK Police: When to intervene whilst you're off duty

    I think it would, and I think it should. This raises an interesting dilemma though. Does the officer who has consumed several pints at the bar who puts himself on duty to deal with a fight leave himself open to being disciplined for being drunk on duty? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. Beggars Belief

    Unless the minimum joining age is raised to, say, 30 then how can they be requirements? I joined at 18 with little maturity, no proven capability and a very short track record of anything. At that time the average age of the intake was 21. A couple were shed early on and the rest made the grade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  16. I don't believe anyone from my generation is without this particular sin. I was taught by the 'old and bold' about what to record and what not and that was the way it was. Unfortunately that culture has led to another area of criticism of the police today. It would be nice though to think that the current crop of cops will change that culture and not sin over crime recording. I see evidence of it changing, thankfully. Maybe your 'high and Mighty' will change thing in your neck of the woods. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  17. The question is asked via an anonymous survey (ooh! Can't trust them to make it truly anonymous!!) so officers could tell the truth. Don't tell your contacts that I don't believe them as I am not in a position to believe or disbelieve them - I do not have regular contact with officers in GMP or Cheshire. You could tell them that it is not the same in every other force - unless you think I am lying about my current experience. You could also ask them why they act in an unethical way, let victims of crimes down and risk their jobs (breaching the Code of Conduct can be Gross Misconduct and so sackable). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  18. HMIC now pointedly ask officers if they are put under any pressure to not record crime properly. From last year's report on GMP, 'The majority of officers and staff reported that the force’s approach in respect of crime-recording had improved or significantly improved since our 2014 inspection.' So either things have and are changing in this regard since you left GMP or the officers lied to the HMIC inspectors. And for a wider view - my previous post about not tarring all forces with the same brush: Avon & Somerset, Sussex and Staffordshire Reports had the same phrasing: 'We were pleased to find that the majority of respondents reported that the constabulary’s approach in respect of crime-recording had improved or significantly improved since our 2014 inspection. Furthermore, staff were clear that they no longer felt under any pressure to minimise the number of crimes recorded on the basis of performance targets.' Officers in three other forces with the opportunity to report on being under pressure to not record crimes but say not. Are they all lying or have times changed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  19. Who's slating anyone? I am a retired officer as well and, like you, worked through the good old, bad old days when 'cuffing' and other 'gaming' methods were rife. I cannot disagree that it still goes in your old force, as GMP are rated as being inadequate in crime recording. But don't tar every force with that brush? West Mids were found to record 97% of the crimes they should in the 2014 HMIC inspection and Sussex were recently found to be recording over 95%. I anticipate your response will be about how clever those forces may be at hiding their dirty tricks, but without evidence that is unfounded. HMIC have honed their approach and are aware of where the corners are to poke around in. I note that your approach to the validity of your assertions has changed recently, from your experience as an officer to now having a better view of policing from being 'outside the box' than those who are still inside it. Strange. Sent from me using Witchcraft
  20. It's partly culture and partly where you are. I believe that you are still in Scotland and Police Scotland has not had the harsh criticism about failing to record crimes that forces in England and Wales have had. Some Forces in E&W are under the microscope of HMIC for crime recording and have been told to improve within 12 months or face the consequences. The Chiefs of GMP and other forces graded as 'inadequate' cannot afford to be inadequate again. The Deputy Chief in the force where I currently work is on record telling officers that an increase in crime is perfectly acceptable, even a good thing, as it shows integrity and ethical crime recording. The problem has shifted from the senior officers putting on performance pressure - reduce crime, increase detections - to the Sgt and Constable ranks not understanding or agreeing with the rules and avoiding crimes to keep their own workloads down. Sent from me using Witchcraft
  21. Beggars Belief

    What do these people think about? She's an attractive young woman too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  22. It may still happen in your old force as they were recently graded as being inadequate for crime recording in their HMIC report. I'm sure the Chief will be looking to turn that around though as he will be under intense scrutiny from HMIC and so the Home Office to show a marked improvement. In the force where I work there are loads of undetected shopliftings as when someone from a shop reports a theft then it is recorded at the point of report. Officers may attend or not and the crime is screened for investigation potential. Unless there is proof that no theft occurred then it remains on the books. Long gone are the days of the officer attending and writing off the log as 'no proof there was a theft here'.
  23. Resignation !!

    This is Cheese with his sage (wise) advice. [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  24. Resignation !!

    This is Cheese with his sage (wise) advice. [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  25. Resignation !!

    You need Cheese's sage advice on this but from my limited knowledge you can get no pension at all until SPA you go before 50. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk