Reasonable Man

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  1. There is not much you can do about what your husband reports but I would get each of the three of you to list what false reports etc he has made against each of you that only affected you as individuals. Then separately report those circumstances to the police as harassment. Insist that you are reporting a crime (each of you so that's three crimes) of Harassment. Insist that you want it recorded as a crime and you do not want it dealt with by him being given a warning or 'advice' or a PIN. Get a crime number. This doesn't mean the police can or will do anything but it will be on record that he is harassing you so should inform the way any further reports are dealt with. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. I've stuck rigidly to the topic until doing you the courtesy of answering a direct question. Constantly claiming any disagreement with your posts is an attack on the poster really doesn't take us anywhere. Anyway you have provided further evidence of where you gather your information to base your opinion of Ms Dick. It may not be at NARPO meetings but is at other social events. This still provides no indication that your opinion on the new Commissioner has any validity compared with the official scrutiny she has been subjected to. As I said we can all make up our own minds on the evidence available.
  3. You often tell us about your 30 years police experience, your membership of two NARPO groups and that you discuss policing issues with former colleagues. I'm just joining the dots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. Ms Dick's decision making in the de Menezes case was subject to the utmost scrutiny by several bodies tasked to do so. Including the (allegedly 'let's get the police at all costs' IPCC). At every turn she was found blameless. Her decision making in that case is used as a case study of good practice in the leadership courses delivered by the College of Policing. Now there may be a conspiracy by all bodies involved to protect Ms Dick at all cost. And we have Zulu's view from what he read in the papers and what he has discussed with ex colleagues at a NARPO meeting. We have to make up our own minds about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. I would intervene to prevent anyone from being assaulted, having assessed the risk (I don't think I would take on a dozen Hells Angels armed with knives and chains). That's being a good citizen IMO. I did exactly that as a 17 year old and used it as an example in my interview for the job. Three lads were picking on a black guy in a racist attack because he had white girlfriend, I saved the black guy from a beating as the bullies didn't think 3 v 2 was good enough odds for them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. I was once a cop but I am no longer. I left my powers and legal responsibilities with my warrant card when I retired. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. I think it would, and I think it should. This raises an interesting dilemma though. Does the officer who has consumed several pints at the bar who puts himself on duty to deal with a fight leave himself open to being disciplined for being drunk on duty? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. Unless the minimum joining age is raised to, say, 30 then how can they be requirements? I joined at 18 with little maturity, no proven capability and a very short track record of anything. At that time the average age of the intake was 21. A couple were shed early on and the rest made the grade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. I don't believe anyone from my generation is without this particular sin. I was taught by the 'old and bold' about what to record and what not and that was the way it was. Unfortunately that culture has led to another area of criticism of the police today. It would be nice though to think that the current crop of cops will change that culture and not sin over crime recording. I see evidence of it changing, thankfully. Maybe your 'high and Mighty' will change thing in your neck of the woods. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. The question is asked via an anonymous survey (ooh! Can't trust them to make it truly anonymous!!) so officers could tell the truth. Don't tell your contacts that I don't believe them as I am not in a position to believe or disbelieve them - I do not have regular contact with officers in GMP or Cheshire. You could tell them that it is not the same in every other force - unless you think I am lying about my current experience. You could also ask them why they act in an unethical way, let victims of crimes down and risk their jobs (breaching the Code of Conduct can be Gross Misconduct and so sackable). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. HMIC now pointedly ask officers if they are put under any pressure to not record crime properly. From last year's report on GMP, 'The majority of officers and staff reported that the force’s approach in respect of crime-recording had improved or significantly improved since our 2014 inspection.' So either things have and are changing in this regard since you left GMP or the officers lied to the HMIC inspectors. And for a wider view - my previous post about not tarring all forces with the same brush: Avon & Somerset, Sussex and Staffordshire Reports had the same phrasing: 'We were pleased to find that the majority of respondents reported that the constabulary’s approach in respect of crime-recording had improved or significantly improved since our 2014 inspection. Furthermore, staff were clear that they no longer felt under any pressure to minimise the number of crimes recorded on the basis of performance targets.' Officers in three other forces with the opportunity to report on being under pressure to not record crimes but say not. Are they all lying or have times changed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. Who's slating anyone? I am a retired officer as well and, like you, worked through the good old, bad old days when 'cuffing' and other 'gaming' methods were rife. I cannot disagree that it still goes in your old force, as GMP are rated as being inadequate in crime recording. But don't tar every force with that brush? West Mids were found to record 97% of the crimes they should in the 2014 HMIC inspection and Sussex were recently found to be recording over 95%. I anticipate your response will be about how clever those forces may be at hiding their dirty tricks, but without evidence that is unfounded. HMIC have honed their approach and are aware of where the corners are to poke around in. I note that your approach to the validity of your assertions has changed recently, from your experience as an officer to now having a better view of policing from being 'outside the box' than those who are still inside it. Strange. Sent from me using Witchcraft
  13. It's partly culture and partly where you are. I believe that you are still in Scotland and Police Scotland has not had the harsh criticism about failing to record crimes that forces in England and Wales have had. Some Forces in E&W are under the microscope of HMIC for crime recording and have been told to improve within 12 months or face the consequences. The Chiefs of GMP and other forces graded as 'inadequate' cannot afford to be inadequate again. The Deputy Chief in the force where I currently work is on record telling officers that an increase in crime is perfectly acceptable, even a good thing, as it shows integrity and ethical crime recording. The problem has shifted from the senior officers putting on performance pressure - reduce crime, increase detections - to the Sgt and Constable ranks not understanding or agreeing with the rules and avoiding crimes to keep their own workloads down. Sent from me using Witchcraft
  14. What do these people think about? She's an attractive young woman too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. It may still happen in your old force as they were recently graded as being inadequate for crime recording in their HMIC report. I'm sure the Chief will be looking to turn that around though as he will be under intense scrutiny from HMIC and so the Home Office to show a marked improvement. In the force where I work there are loads of undetected shopliftings as when someone from a shop reports a theft then it is recorded at the point of report. Officers may attend or not and the crime is screened for investigation potential. Unless there is proof that no theft occurred then it remains on the books. Long gone are the days of the officer attending and writing off the log as 'no proof there was a theft here'.