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  1. The interviewer noted the "strong smell" of alcohol from the man in his late 40s. A thirsty motorist who turned up for an IT job with Greater Manchester Police ended up getting arrested and losing his licence. Andrew Jackson, 48, attended GMP Sedgely Park in Sedgely Park Road, Manchester, hoping to land an IT management position only to end up in court. Two senior GMP members of staff were holding the interviews and described the “overwhelming” smell of alcohol as soon as he opened his mouth. The interviewer said: “I asked if he had any trouble in finding us, as soon as he began to speak I could smell something on his breath which I was thought was stale alcohol. “He mentioned that he did have a little trouble in finding somewhere to park, which immediately raised concerns. “Shortly after he arrived in the small office, the smell of alcohol became overpowering. “I decided to continue with the interview, which lasted for about an hour, but throughout the whole time I was sure that the candidate smelt strongly of drink and was considering what to do next. “I didn’t want the man returning to his vehicle, given the obvious smell of alcohol. I couldn’t live with myself if there had been a collision and someone ended up seriously hurt.” A traffic officer was sent for who asked the interviewee if he had been drinking, to which the man said he and his wife had shared a bottle of wine with dinner the night before. The man was subsequently breathalysed showing him to be over the drink drive limit, he was then taken to Bury Police station where he was tested again to confirm the reading and charged with drink driving. On February 10, 2017, at Bury and Rochdale magistrates court Jackson pleaded guilty to being in control of a vehicle while over the legal drink driving limit. He was disqualified from driving for one year and fined £235. His driving ban will be reduced to seven months if he successfully completes a drink driving awareness course within a given time. Inspector Tony Allt, of GMP’s Roads Policing Unit, said: “Although the circumstances surrounding this particular incident are unusual, this case highlights the fact that there are a number of motorists who think they are fine to drive after drinking the night before. “There are a number of factors that can determine how alcohol is absorbed and processed in the body, but for the individual in this case to give a reading of 46 micrograms, remembering that the legal limit is 35, clearly shows that a significant amount of drink must have been consumed the previous evening. “If in doubt of your alcohol level, seek alternative travel arrangements. Never drive while over the limit and risk losing your licence, livelihood or possibly your or someone else’s life. Always make it none for the road.” View on Police Oracle
  2. Dame Anne Owers attacked the commissioner after he asked for greater public support for armed firearms officers. The head of the IPCC has accused the Met commissioner of falsely claiming armed officers are “increasingly” treated as suspects. Dame Anne Owers responded to Bernard Hogan-Howe’s calls for greater public support for by saying “facts don’t support” the feeling that AFOs are treated as suspects as soon as they use their weapons. The chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission had an article published in The Times which insisted the body “doesn’t treat police witnesses as suspects”. She said: “The debate over police use of firearms has generated a number of myths and selective facts. “This week Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the outgoing Metropolitan Police commissioner, called for greater public support of firearms officers who, he said, were increasingly treated as suspects in investigations by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), which I chair. “The facts don’t support this. “Since 2010 we’ve completed 24 firearms investigations, eight of which related to fatalities. “In all but three of them, including six of the fatal shootings, no firearms officer was ever treated as a suspect; they were all treated as witnesses. “Sir Bernard also complains about the length of time it takes to investigate shootings. This is something about which the police and the public are rightly concerned. But it is too easy to blame the IPCC alone. “When police witnesses co-operate fully and early, we can complete our investigations much more quickly. By contrast, when they don’t, for example giving statements that simply say when they came on and off duty or refusing to answer questions at interview, it takes much longer. “No one benefits, whether they are police officers or bereaved families.” Ms Owers went on to defend “rigorous independent scrutiny” adding: “We have proposed fresh guidance to get the best evidence when someone dies or is seriously injured. “It doesn’t treat police witnesses as suspects. It does aim to separate officers while they give their first accounts, to prevent conferring or contamination by other evidence. “Doing it early ensures that we can secure necessary evidence. Of course in a major terrorist incident we would not expect to do this until the risk had passed. “We will do our bit to make sure that our investigations are both robust and timely and the proposed guidance will help to ensure this. “Rigorous independent scrutiny is not a threat: it is a protection. If the police appear to shy away from this, there is a real risk to public trust. “As Sir Bernard has said, our police officers rarely discharge firearms, and even more rarely with fatal effect. When they do, it is in everyone’s interest that this is thoroughly investigated, with early and full co-operation from those involved.” View on Police Oracle
  3. Northumbria Chief Constable Steve Ashman wants to scrap some of the bureaucracy that comes with the job. A chief constable plans to release sergeants from their desks and move away from what he calls a “tick box mentality”. Northumbria Chief Constable Steve Ashman says the current system where “sergeants sit in front of a computer and check the checking of the checkers” is “nonsense”. He plans to arm frontline operational sergeants with laptops enabling them to access incident data away from police stations so they can work remotely. CC Ashman told Police Oracle: “You can put a lot of barriers in place in policing and a lot of constraints. For example, we are looking at something that will remove the strict requirement for sergeants to supervise every single crime that comes through. “Why? Because it is not adding any value at all and we should start trusting PCs. With the training and development we have given them, they are well-paid individuals who can do their jobs on most occasions. “If you free them up, the sergeant is free to do his or her job and focus their supervisory effort where it is needed most likes complex crimes or with officers who are struggling. You cannot do that if you have got to supervise every single theft or burglary.” Earlier this week Police Oracle reported on CC Ashman’s plans to look beyond Northumbria’s borders when promoting because forces can “stagnate” if they do not recruit from outside. He also spoke of his eagerness to see senior officers leading rather than simply checking or being “supervisory managers”. It is a forward thinking move brought about by a determination on CC Ashman’s part to allow officers to do their jobs - and also the harsh reality of extreme budget cuts. “I want us to get away from that tick box mentality when it comes to policing. What we want to say is ‘you have actually got to get out there and lead’ even though we are the hardest hit in terms of funding,” he says. “We receive the lowest amount of money in terms of our total budget from the public by way of our tax precept by a mile. “Therefore we are the force most reliant on the government’s grant in this country. So, when that grant is cut we are the worst hit – that is a reality for me and us as a force. “We are squeezing and squeezing and squeezing and if we carry on working like we have in the past it just won’t work.” Such cuts financially – while never welcome – could bring about a cultural change many officers would surely relish. “There is a tick box mentally,” says CC Ashman. “For example, with property lists, the sergeant will supervise the PCs and then the inspectors will supervise the sergeants’ supervision and then you will have a remote team who will do the checking of the inspectors – it is nonsense. What we want to do is to say actually you have to get out lead. “We have actually come to the realisation that we have got to fundamentally reengineer the way we do front line policing. We have got sergeants whose daily job it is to sit in front of a computer and check the checking of the checkers and it is nonsense. “So whether it is looking at our resource management system and some of the bureaucracy associated and scrapping all of that. Whether it is looking at property lists and a slavish adherence to that, we will be looking at all of that. Whether it is the requirement to supervise every crime that comes in - we are going to scrap all of that too.” The system would work with officers, particularly sergeants, being given the choice of where to focus their efforts and with more responsibility and more work away from their desks. CC Ashman adds: “We will say you choose where your effort is needed most and to the best effect because we trust you otherwise we would not have made you a sergeant. “Now you need to get off your backside and get out there and lead which is what they signed up to do. We, the leadership of the service, certainly here in Northumbria, have made it impossible for them to leave the station in the past so I want to address that now. “You cannot cut it all loose – they will have laptops, certainly frontline operational sergeants will, so they can access incident data outside the station without having to come back. ”But we will trust them to get out and get on with their jobs to the best of their ability.” View on Police Oracle
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  5. One force took an average of 109 days to turnaround checks compared to 1.8 days elsewhere. The amount of time police forces take to carry out DBS checks varies hugely across the country, latest figures have revealed. Data from January to October 2016 shows the Metropolitan Police took an average of 109 days to process a DBS check from start to finish compared to just 1.8 days in Norfolk, according to company uCheck which gathered the figures. The issue has prompted concerns with some employers including Mayday Healthcare PLC – a nursing agency which provides medical and healthcare jobs in London – which says four members have been awaiting their certificates for six months while one applicant withdrew his application completely due to the long turnaround time. The Government says 100 per cent of checks must be completed in 60 days, but data for the Met shows that between Jan and September 2016, this was only achieved in July and September. In February, only 31 per cent of checks were completed by the force in 60 days. The Met said part of the reason for the delays has been a “significant increase” in the number of applications being sent to the MPS disclosure unit and difficulties in recruiting and retaining staff in the unit which deals with the checks. “To resolve this, we have recruited both police and agency staff to the MPS Disclosure Unit including non front-line police officers (on restricted/recuperative duties). Staff have also been seconded from Transport for London to work specifically on the applications from Black Cab Drivers,” it said in response to an FOI request in November 2016. “Looking forward, we have put in place a robust resourcing plan that includes on-going training, recruitment and productivity measures to ensure we build a resilient, sustainable team. “MPS staff are currently working incredibly hard and we are committed to reducing the number of outstanding cases as quickly as possible.” Dorset has the second longest turnaround time after the Met at 58.3 days, followed by North Yorkshire Police (28.3), South Yorkshire Police (24.5) and Thames Valley Police (22.6). View on Police Oracle
  6. Volunteer officers group asks about new policies which College says is still being drawn up. The widespread and longstanding practice of people becoming specials with the hope of then joining the regulars could come to a halt with the introduction of the College of Policing’s new routes into policing. While much attention has been given to debating the concept that future police officers will either need to have degrees or be hired as apprentices, one less considered side effect is that the attraction of joining the special constabulary may decrease. Chief Officer Nigel Green, chairman of the Association of Special Constabulary Chief Officers, told that it has recently been confirmed that specials will not be able to be counted as apprentices. This would mean those who serve as specials with the hope of becoming regulars would have to be taking a degree at the same time, or they would be unable to make the transfer. He said: “This will disadvantage a lot of professionals and we believe it's an unintended consequence of the way the rules have been written. “We’ve asked the Home Office and Department for Education [who are in charge of the national apprenticeship levy] to look at it and the College have also agreed to look and see if there needs to be some support arrangements for those people who are specials of the more traditional entry type rather than having to be a graduate.” The College of Policing says its future entry plans are still being worked out. A spokesman said: “The College is currently reviewing the implications of the policing education qualifications framework, in particular the new entry routes into policing at constable level, in the context of training for the special constabulary. “We will continue to work closely with colleagues in the specials and other policing communities to ensure future learning and assessment will enable the special constabulary to maintain, develop and enhance its professional practice alongside that of the regular service. “This work is in the early stages and further details will be published in due course.” It is anticipated that those on new police training degrees may have to serve as specials while they take the course. View on Police Oracle
  7. Chief says attacks on officers should attract appropriate sanction from the criminal justice system. A chief constable has said he is increasingly concerned about the “terrifying circumstances” officers are finding themselves in. Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale said that those who put their own safety on the line to protect the public should not have to deal with unacceptable assaults or attacks. Latest figures by the Police Federation of England and Wales suggest there are potentially more than two million unarmed physical assaults on officers over a 12 month period and that an assault happens every four minutes. Data for Wiltshire revealed that 72 per cent of respondents to the Police Federation's Welfare survey had been a victim of unarmed physical violence at least once in the last year, while 36 per cent said someone had used a deadly weapon against at least once in the same time period. “Every day, brave and dedicated officers and staff face difficult, demanding and sometimes dangerous situations that the majority of the public thankfully may never have to witness or deal with,” said cc Veale. “While those in public services may run towards danger when others run away, that is no reason to believe that assaults are an accepted part of the job, or an occupational hazard of being a police officer or police staff member. “They are criminal assaults which should attract appropriate sanction from the criminal justice system which should be delivered swiftly and commensurately with not just the injuries sustained, but the incredible fear my colleagues can sometimes face.” CC Veale said that he personally speaks to any officers and staff who have been assaulted or inured on duty and that at the time of writing he had six emails in his inbox notifying him of officers and staff injured in recent days. He added during his time as chief, resources and capacity within occupational health facilities has increased and he delivers compensation directly to any officer who is awarded it by the courts following an assault, instead of them waiting months to receive it from the attacker. “I have also made a commitment to increase officers and staff protective equipment so they can protect themselves better. I now have 800 body worn cameras which will be deployed to my operational officers and staff so that we can more accurately capture evidence of criminality, which includes abuse and threats to my officers and staff,” he said. View on Police Oracle
  8. Scanner will now be installed in every Met custody suite. An officer, whose groundbreaking work has the capacity to “change policing”, has been honoured with an international award. Met Detective Inspector Julie Henderson created a digitised footprint system – the equivalent of the fingerprint system – after becoming frustrated that offenders were getting away with crimes because of the antiquated system of storing footwear prints on paper. The out-of-date system meant only three per cent of officers would take footwear prints from suspects, resulting in evidence being lost. As a result, DI Henderson researched how to make digital footwear prints the same as the national fingerprint system, so officers could take a scan of the footwear as part of the custody process which could then be downloaded and searched nationally. After finding no other force in the world had developed such a system, she contacted a Chinese company that had developed a footwear scanner which gave her two free of charge. She approached her senior leadership team and management board at the Met and the Home Office, securing funding for the project and a national trial. After being seconded to the force’s Capability and Support team to work on the scheme full time, a trial was launched in Colindale which proved a success. Within 12 months there were 117 detections with an 80 per cent conviction rate, an increase in compliance from three per cent to 70 per cent, a 98 per cent improvement in the speed of results and a 92 per cent decrease in cost per print. There will soon be a footwear scanner in every Met custody suite and the project is now one of the Commissioner’s Commitments. She has been given an award for her efforts from the International Association for Women in Policing, with one of her colleagues saying: “This will change policing as we currently know it.” View on Police Oracle
  9. Yes, we'd prefer it to stay civilised too. Good debate great, getting personal not so great.
  10. An Austrian football fan has been fined 100 Euros (£85) for calling a police officer “dude”.
  11. I have to echo what @Fedster says - I can't believe the language you are using to describe your former colleagues. Didn't policing start off with volunteers anyway?
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  13. I think a bit of diversity - in terms of skills and experiences from the outside world - is a good thing. Police officers don't always make for good managers (just as workers in other occupations don't always either). Hopefully your experience in your day jobs and your specials experiences will make you a good candidate for direct entry.
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  15. Merry Christmas to all on PoliceUK! Hope you have a nice day.