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  1. Crime figures.

    Very soon on the later, I think every cop on the street know the extent of the problem, I raised concerns on crime recording to the very highest level to be told to wind my neck in. It's only going to get worse.
  2. Crime figures.

    I think the posts speak for themselves, I choose not to engage in a debate with you so as not to bring the thread down as I have very strong views on your credibility, so let's just be adults and choose to pretend the other doesn't exist.Just to add quoting documents you had no idea existed until I posted links does not mean you knowledgable about those facts.
  3. Crime figures.

    But that's just the point of fiddling figures, you have highlighted the fact that there is a 96% compliance rate which cannot be argued, but I could also produce a thread that 33% of assaults are not even getting crimed out of the same data. For me the later is more alarming, I could say that also this is what I would say is the old cuffing a job I.e. No crime here time to move on so we can even say OC is right. My point as always the audit was pointless and can be twisted and turned to suit any agenda.
  4. Crime figures.

    I'm sorry but I spent best part of six months sitting down with HMIC designing the template they then took to other forces to see how accurate the data reported by each force was. Now it's forum rules not to ask which force you are from, and you seem adamant that your force is super when dealing with crimes and miss recording ( which does mean what I say ) But anyway here knock yourself out pick your forces report ( which you didn't realise existed ) may not be 1000 incidents or disposals for your force depending on its size but it's faults will be highlighted for you. Including the miss recording of any crimes audited. https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/publication/crime-data-integrity-force-reports/
  5. Crime figures.

    Direct quotes from HMIC.Based on an audit of a large sample of records, HMIC concluded that, across England and Wales as a whole an estimated one in five offences (19%) that should have been recorded as crimes were not. The greatest levels of under-recording were seen for violence against the person offences (33%) and sexual offences (26%), however there was considerable variation in the level of under-recording across the different offence types investigated (for example, burglary; 11%) and these are reported on further in the relevant sections. Just to clarify under recording means just that either the wrong crime I.e. Not the most serious or none at all.
  6. Crime figures.

    They are not wrong, look at my post above HMIC as a result of a nationwide audit of incidents "NOT CRIMES" showed that on average 19% did not record a crime when one should of been submitted, without scrolling back myself this rose to 33% for assaults.So if one is going to believe these surveys and figures, a third of assaults do not get crimes, and this is w hen an incident has been reported.
  7. Crime figures.

    Requested audit sent by HMIC to each force, at GMP it came through criminal justice and provides meat to the crime survey.
  8. Crime figures.

    I am sorry but your audit mythology is wrong and does not take into account any individual, if this years figure is 19%, next year those 19% may also decide not to report as they may decide what's the point, so if next year is 18% the actual figure may be 37% as the previous years may be so disillusioned they don't bother. I don't care who you are but to make a guesstimate that crime is falling on a small audit is just bizarre, as people have long since told the figure monkeys, the police is not a business, criminals or not our customers and to try and bring your ill founded " audit solutions " from outside agencies is killing the cops and is giving TM and her minions a stick ( an false stick ) to beat the cops with.
  9. Crime figures.

    Are you seriously asking that question?, it makes me think even more that you haven't worked as a cop and may just be pushing an agenda. Ok I will try to explain. 1 the percentage from your 1000 crime audit will be different from 2000, 20000 etc etc to say it won't is not even worth it as you don't know unless you do the audit hence why it's a guess. 2 you are just looking at reported incidents, that members of public decided to call the police, you are not looking at someone's damaged fence, punch in eye, damaged car that they know won't get solved. So again to claim figures up or down from your original 1000 is just ludicrous. 3 HMIC did not specify where you pick the 1000 area and could be picked and should be picked on a random nature, now let's just take GMP and errr Salford, when most crime goes unreported to police by the victim....how is this a true reflection if you pick the majority of 1000 from this area. Now knowing the above, working in various areas, even some that claim are " no go " I will ask again, why would you ask ...why?
  10. Crime figures.

    But the point Zulu is making is its just guessing no matter which way you look at it, HMIC sent us details to look at 1000 incidents over a two week period to see if the crimes had been reported correct/incorrectly you then sent the results back where they came up with a 19% over all figure of under reporting. To look at just a 1000 of reported incident in GMP and other forces and then declaring that crime is up or down is ludicrous utter senseless and not worthy of any note, but to look at these figures and compare them to the previous year or the forthcoming one is even more so.
  11. Crime figures.

    I've resisted the temptation of correcting you in this thread as when I did so in another thread containing figures it descended into farce even though I informed you I completed my service working in this very field. However as for unrecorded crime I'm not going to argue I'm just going to post this statement from HMIC in the extent that they know crimes are being under reported, I can also tell you ( I also worked with them ) that this was the best case scenario it's actually a lot worse. Based on an audit of a large sample of records, HMIC concluded that, across England and Wales as a whole an estimated one in five offences (19%) that should have been recorded as crimes were not. The greatest levels of under-recording were seen for violence against the person offences (33%) and sexual offences (26%), however there was considerable variation in the level of under-recording across the different offence types investigated (for example, burglary; 11%) and these are reported on further in the relevant sections.
  12. research for novel

    I think its a strange one this, My credit card details have been used to hire a car that was involved in a string of burglaries, it wasnt stolen but my credit card details had been stolen. I would of been very very very annoyed and sued any officer/force who came and arrested me just because they said my credit card had been used to buy anything that was involved in a crime, you need a lot more evidence than that in these days of computer crime. So in this case, i would say no she would not be arrested and the officer would make an appointment to go and see her to speak to her. Now if you had any description of clothing used etc large amounts of blood that may be on the offender thats a different matter and would need to be looked at on a case by case basis. But now with regards code G arrest has to be justified I have known many an officer be given a grilling in Civil court when they have put down (prompt and effective investigation ) as a reason under code G when asked the simple question why? So to sum up, if "Your" villan in this "set up" was dressed as a woman similar to the owner of a the credit card and the crime was witnessed and this descrition was obtained I would say yes arrest may be suitable, but on the basis of just having her credit card details used i would say no.
  13. think the officer was made an example of which doesnt sit well with me, If you read the MEN there is a more senior officer under investigation for attempt pervert much more serious offence who i believe may already be subject to previous warnings. Feel for the officer in this case. If you dont like the officers views unfollow him on social media, personally i think the person who made the complaint should be made to stand up and say why they were offended and show the officer who it was.
  14. COMPULSORY SEVERANCE: The mother lode

    If you look at the regulations it says that if you under 50 and take VS you get compensation but your pension is only draw able and normal pension age. I have attached some examples below as you can see it mentions not of when you can draw your pension but officers below age of 50 with 28 years can draw upto 60k when an officer with 30 only gets their pension. Now I'm not wizard but the officer with 28 years is not going to get full compensation and then full pension commutation as well. Plus also think normal pension age for officers is 50 with 25 years in so if you don't have 25 it may be that you cannot draw your pension at 50, before anyone takes anything they should fully understand what they are getting. Officers not yet able to receive a pension i. Constable with 11 years’ service, aged 37; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 11 months’ salary = £33,000. (£3,000 a month) ii. Constable with 23 years’ service, aged 45, earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 21 months’ salary = £63,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by the maximum of 21 years. iii. Constable with 20 years’ service, aged 54; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 20 months’ salary = £60,000. (£3,000 a month) iv. Constable with 19 years’ service, aged 59 and 6 months; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 12 months’ salary = £36,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by tapering as near pension age (60). v. Constable with 26 years’ service, aged 47; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 21 months’ salary = £63,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by the maximum of 21 years. vi. Constable with 26 years’ service, aged 49; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 18 months’ salary = £54,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by tapering as near pension age (50). vii. Constable with 28 years’ and 5 months service, aged 47; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 19 months’ salary = £57,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by tapering as near maximum pensionable service (30 years). viii. Constable with 28 years’ and 5 months service, aged 49; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 18 months’ salary = £54,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by tapering as near pension age (50). ix. Chief Constable with 20 years’ service, aged 45, earning £160,000. Compensation payment of 20 months’ salary = £252,400. (£12,620 a month) Limited by the high pay threshold of £151,440. Officers able to receive immediate pension on leaving x. Constable with 25 years’ service, aged 50; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 6 months’ salary = £18,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by the maximum of 6 months’ salary as able to receive immediate pension. xi. Constable with 20 years’ service, aged 55; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 6 months’ salary = £18,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by the maximum of 6 months’ salary as able to receive immediate pension. xii. Constable with 5 years’ service, aged 55; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 5 months’ salary = £15,000. (£3,000 a month) Limited by the number of years’ service (rather than the ability to receive immediate pension). xiii. Chief Inspector (non MPS) with 20 years’ service, aged 60; earning £54,000. Compensation payment of 6 months’ salary = £27,000. (£4,500 a month) Limited by the maximum of 6 months’ salary as able to receive immediate pension. xiv. Commander (MPS) with 20 years’ service, aged 57; earning £96,000. Compensation payment of 6 months’ salary = £48,000. (£8,000 a month) Limited by the maximum of 6 months’ salary as able to receive immediate pension. xv. Constable with 30 years’ service, aged 48; earning £36,000. Compensation payment of 0 months’ salary = £0. Limited to zero as able to receive full immediate pension.
  15. COMPULSORY SEVERANCE: The mother lode

    I would put a warning on this, if you take VS under 50 I believe you only draw your pension at 55 if you not entitled to draw your full pension I.e. Done 30 years and be let's say 49, but if that's the case you do not get any compensation either.