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  1. PSNI Transferee Recruitment

    You were talking about two crews in two vehicles i.e double crews. We are not doing this in the majority of the province (I can only think of one contentious area that might so, assume that this is where you are. But, I thought that in another forum re mutual aid you were referring to the PSNI as "former colleagues". Are you still here or not?). Crews consist of a minimum of 2 officers in most places. 3 were the threat is considered higher, ostensibly so that the vehicle need not be left unattended. Single officer patrol was trialled in Urban a while back but, binned. The bottom line and reason for my original post is this: I came to the PSNI with a number of expectations, all based upon what the organisation (and I use the term loosely) had told me and all of which turned out to be a pack of lies. 73 officers transferred from the Mainland last year and, within 6 months, 22 had returned. More are in the process of doing so and all report the same reasons; they have been sold a pack of lies and the PSNI is "backward". Those are their words. The same thing happened in 2008 with a batch of S/Sgts & D/Insps. I spoke with some of them and they were absolutely horrified at what they walked into. I think it only fair that people are made aware of this.
  2. PSNI Transferee Recruitment

    NotBrazil: "When you can't go to a domestic without six officers, two armoured Land Rovers and two carrying sub machine guns, I think you'll find that it can be "more difficult"." We are not working under those conditions at the moment, and nor have we for some time, certainly not in the urban areas at any rate. For a start, there isn't enough of us to double-crew. And, with regard to the vote, yes it was passed unanimously in favour of keeping things as they are but, that does not change the fact that a chief officer tried to influence the vote by lying about the ramifications of keeping the name and crest and was upbraided at Stormont for doing so.
  3. PSNI Transferee Recruitment

    I'm still in the PSNI. I understand that you are not?
  4. PSNI Transferee Recruitment

    Bitter? Yes. If you had upped sticks and moved to find that you had been sold a crock of shite, you would be too. NotBrazil: "The PSNI is certainly more traditional than other forces, probably owing to the years of integration with the military during the Troubles. Inefficient? Possibly. But remember that the challenges of policing are so vastly different in some parts of Northern Ireland. As for there being no opportunity for anyone outside the 'RUC club', this is utter nonsense. I don't even know where to start with that point." By "more traditional" do you really mean "backwards"? That would be the majority view. I did not say that there was no opportunity for anyone outside the "RUC" club, quite the contrary, there are those in senior positions who have tried to eradicate all vestiges of the RUC, some publicly lying about loss of funding for the RUC Athletic Assoc' if it didn't ditch the RUC name and logo or, have you conveniently forgotten this? What I actually said was "There are no promotion opportunities here (unless you belong to the closed group around which the PSNI was born out of the RUC's ashes)." That "closed group" being those who positioned themselves in positions of power and influence in the then infant PSNI. You must walk around with your eyes closed. The challenges of policing some parts of NI are very different to those you might find elsewhere in the UK but, that doesn't make them any more difficult. Nor does it excuse the PSNI's backwards approach or refusal to adopt proven good practice from elsewhere. I used to work in one of those "challenging" areas and grew tired of listening to people using the security situation as an excuse for all sorts of things. Notwithstanding the underlying terrorist threat, out colleagues in places like Liverpool, Manchester a Nottingham, where gun and knife crime is far higher than anywhere in NI, are probably leading just as perilous working lives. Twohopes2012: "Also...are you originally from N.I?? Any ideas what's thought of outsiders joining the PSNI? I have read different things about it! Any extra danger to having an English accent in the PSNI in terms of targeting by Terrorists/aggro when dealing with suspects??" When working in a nationalist area, I actually found being a "foreigner" to be advantageous. I wasn't associated with any of the problems endemic in NI and often found that those traditionally suspicious of police would rather speak to me than my local colleagues. However, I would be lying if I said that I have never experienced anti-English racism both at work and off duty.
  5. PSNI Transfer's 2013

    As I said, the problem is that you will receive no support and these cases, no matter how lengthy or complicated, will never go away. We have seen cases of officers so bogged down with investigation-related paperwork that they have taken a couple of days leave and then sneaked into another station to try and catch up, others have ended up being pursued by the Police Ombudsman for failing to investigate offences or, off sick with stress. That is a management failure. The numbers of transferees jumping ship speaks for itself. If I could move my family, I would go myself.
  6. PSNI Transfer's 2013

    Before you consider applying, a word of warning: The reason for this latest round of transferee recruitment (designed to plug the skills gap left by mass redundancies in the wake of the RUC's destruction) is being implemented to replace transferees who have arrived here in the last 12 months and have already left or, are in the process of leaving. Over the past year or so, approximately 73 uniformed constables transferred to the PSNI from Mainland Forces, most coming because they liked what was advertised in the PSNI's glossy corporate literature, most of which is stage-managed and wholly fictitious. Promises of good promotion prospects and other excellent opportunities, oh my! I was myself unfortunate enough to fall for the PSNI's institutional dishonesty. Of those 73 officers, 22 had already transferred back to Mainland forces within 6 months and a significant proportion of those still here are either off on long term sick (because they realise they've been lied to and are now living a nightmare) and/or in the process of transferring out of the PSNI. The same thing happened in 2008/9 with a batch of transferee D/Sergeants & D/Inspectors (I remember bumping into one D/Sgt who had been on the ground for just 3 weeks before realising he'd made a dreadful mistake!). Every single one of them that I've spoken to is absolutely flabbergasted with the inefficient and backward nature of this force and the bullying management culture and I cannot name one who thinks they've made the right move. Those with specialist skills were promised a move into an similar role within the PSNI but, all bar very few have been sent to response sections. Many of the specialist posts that are available are in remote parts of the province, which is why they are unfilled. As a response or NPT Constable in the PSNI, you can forget any kind of investigative support that is available in your current Mainland force. Everything you go to will stay with you and hang like a millstone around your neck (CID will take robberies and live burglaries (i.e. suspect arrested at scene), if they can't twist a robbery into an assault and theft!). You will be responsible for the full investigation and case file assembly. You will not be given time to conduct inquiries and, given the prevailing culture in this organisation, you will get no supervisory input unless you screw something up. There are no volume crime units, secondary investigation units or file prep units to assist you. There are no promotion opportunities here (unless you belong to the closed group around which the PSNI was born out of the RUC's ashes and can get on HPDS. I have seen people who would probably have done well at national selection fail to get a place because their district commander would not make himself available to interview them in the first instance). There has not been a Con-Sgt promotion competition since 2008 and over 100 people already on the list will have to sit the exams again. There is no sign of this happening anytime soon. Other opportunities are scarce and will depend more on who you know than what skills base you have. We no longer have a traffic branch that any of you would recognise. It was amalgamated with ARVs last year so, unless you wan't to do both, you can do neither. Rostering: We currently work the ten hour variable shift system. Duty changes are done via the electronic rostering system (Options), which you are obliged to check on every duty day. Changes, which are frequent, are simply applied to your roster. You will not be asked if you are available and will not be accommodated by planners for shift swaps. You have to "advertise" the overtime and hope someone else will take it. No matter how short the notice, you will receive no courtesy email or call and no apology for being messed around. It is my experience that much of this disruption owes itself to poor/lazy planning rather than unexpected circumstances. 8 hour turnarounds are also becoming more frequent, despite there being little justification for this. Then there is the terrorist threat, currently assessed as severe and for good reason. Trawl the local newspapers to find out how many attacks and attempted attacks there have been on police officers, and their families. The politicians would rather pretend it's not happening. A number of officers have been forced to move home in recent months because of specific threats against them (if you are forced to move (SPED) you will receive only the current market value of your home but, many officers have negative equity. The response from above: Tough doo doo. Also, thanks to some of the operational decisions made by senior officers around the ongoing flag protests, the PSNI has now managed to alienate a large part of the Unionist community who are now also making threats to attack officers and their families. Marvellous. Don't take my word alone, do a bit of digging and you'll see for yourself.
  7. The PSNI is looking for transferee Constables and D/Constables. Before you consider applying, a word of warning: The reason for this latest round of transferee recruitment (designed to plug the skill gap left by mass redundancies in the wake of the RUC's destruction) is being implemented to replace transferees who have arrived here in the last 12 months and have already left or, are in the process of leaving. Over the past year or so, approximately 50 uniformed constables transferred to the PSNI from Mainland Forces, most coming because they liked what was advertised in the PSNI's glossy corporate literature, most of which is stage-managed and wholly fictitious. Promises of good promotion prospects and other excellent opportunities, oh my! Of those 50 officers, over 20 have already transferred back to Mainland forces and a significant proportion of those still here are either off on long term sick (because they realise they've been duped) and/or in the process of transferring out of the PSNI. The same thing happened in 2008/9 with a batch of transferee D/Sergeants & D/Inspectors (I remember bumping into one D/Sgt who had been on the ground for just 3 weeks before realising he'd made a dreadful mistake!). Every single one of them that I've spoken to is absolutely flabbergasted with the inefficient and backward nature of this force and the bullying management culture and I cannot name one who thinks they've made the right move. Trust me, you're better off staying where you are. There are no promotion opportunities here (unless you belong to the closed group around which the PSNI was born out of the RUC's ashes). There has not been a Con-Sgt promotion competition since 2008 and over 100 people already on the list will have to sit the exams again. There is no sign of this happening anytime soon. Other opportunities are scarce and will depend more on who you know than what skills base you have. Don't take my word alone, do a bit of digging and you'll see for yourself.