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  1. There is a school of thought that assaults on us constitute "part of the job". Many of those that share that school of thought are in government and the judiciary. Consequently there is limited punishment. There is also a further very good reason that criminals do not give a damn about the consequences. In days gone by an officer would have felt that if he/she had been assaulted he/she would have been supported in robust self defence. Now there is an awful lot of scrutiny on Police use of force..a pre-emptive strike is almost unthinkable. Police officers are limited in what they can do to defend themselves and the judiciary is limited in what it will do to punish those that assault Police. Why wouldn't it become common? HMS
  2. Indeed, however high the amount goes it will never compensate. But if I were him it would have made me happy to know that my family was going to be able to pay for my funeral and have some financial security for years to come. HMS
  3. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    That's the point isn't it? The source is to blame not the recipient(Ms Dick).
  4. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    If I tell you a person is a threat to everyone and I am thought to be a credible source, and you respond to that threat...... Am I to blame or you?
  5. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    The decision would have been a good one if the information that she had been provided was true. She did not have command during that part of the surveillance phase and did what she had to do to protect the wider public. Yes it was terrible DeMenezes died, but when you pull that whole thing apart Cressida Dick was not to blame. She had the gumption to make a tough call and telling them to stop the target by any means necessary was what needed to be done in light of what they thought was unfolding. It was a horrific mistake but the mistake made was not hers.
  6. Cressida Dick to be new Met Commissioner

    There are criticisms that can be aimed at her but that would be an unfair one- She had no part of the errors that led up to his misidentification...
  7. Direct entry as Inspector.

    But if you go back you will only have half the work to do as they work in twos? Go fill your boots!
  8. Direct entry as Inspector.

    It's always extremes isn't it... A Detective Constable is still a Constable. So he or she isn't promoted. However there is a lot more to being a Detective than a 6week course.... So to say they are only a PC is also untrue. They hold experience and formal qualifications that are at least as hard as promotion to PS is to obtain. Many road crash investigators achieve that accreditation too for good reason. But we so often default to type- if it's an achievement or qualification that I don't have then it isn't much anyway. If it's a department I don't work on then they are lazy overpaid and of limited use. "Everyone knows intervention is the hardest" "Everyone knows CID have to fix the crap work intervention do" "Everyone knows squads are places for job dodgers and people who never go out" "Work in pairs because they do half one job apiece" Been there done it and I can say it's all bullshit - everybody is stressed and tired and overworked and there are very few cushy spots anywhere anymore.
  9. Direct entry as Inspector.

    Mark, Pairs= 50% of the work????.... I am a uniformed officer as you know... I also have the privilege of being an Inspector but I have not forgotten what being a PC or a DC or a DS is like... In my force DC's are breaking under the pressure. Stress risk assessments and mental health problems among Detectives becoming the norm. I have PCs who abandoned or were removed from the TI process on my relief and they are much happier now. You can laugh at these people, as can your C.Supt but you and likely he have no idea what they are going through-You don't understand what they actually do. I am not too proud to say..being a DC was much more work than I have now, less responsibility perhaps but very tiring. I look at these people with admiration not scorn. We have it easy by comparison and they should be applauded and saluted for what they do. If their life is so easy, get on the TI process-Go enjoy that lazy gravy train with the rest of them...I double dare you. HMS
  10. Decision to leave police

    My advice would be continue with your goal and become a DC. If you are right you will have a nationally recognised accreditation which you can utilise outside the job. If you find the CID is as you imagined you may find yourself in a cushy job where other people do all the work and you sit in the office polishing your winkleboots- you may like being paid for doing nothing. Or.... you may find that your eyes are opened about what goes on on the CID and your previous impression was about 1000 miles from the truth and you may find that it satisfies your ambitions... There is only one way to find out... Go on the CID and come back tell us how easy it is compared to your old role....I dare you HMS
  11. Direct entry as Inspector.

    Yes it was. Having worked intervention and CID for many years in multiple roles I know where the stress and pressure is highest. I will no doubt at some point go back to a DI spot again but I'll do it with a wince as part of my career development plan. It wont be for pleasure. HMS
  12. Dealing with infant death

    I think multiple exposures over the years have led me and likely others here to learn to cope. Eventually it doesn't feel like coping, it's just doing the job. If my neighbours child was to die I would be sad for them and express compassion which I would genuinely feel. If I was the one who dealt with that death as a scene that wouldn't change any. But as soon as I move on its gone. SUDI'S are always sad but I guess rather selfishly they aren't my child so I don't take that deep wound. If I have any advice it's be human, do the best that you can do to mitigate the terrible thing that has happened for those left behind and content yourself knowing you did all you could. Then move on.
  13. Direct entry as Inspector.

    I would be more reassured if the selection process identified a long standing SC than someone with no Policing background- The SC would have more of an idea of what he didn't know which would prompt the leadership with consultation skills that both CP and OAH refer to. Can someone tell me what they are bringing to the party that I don't know? Perhaps it would be something that I could learn.
  14. Direct entry as Inspector.

    The thing is, it's a risky move. I don't believe the situation is so bad that it justifies such a risk. Yes there is always room for improvement but why not get these fresh new perspective people employed on our change teams? Why not have them embedded in shifts and then feed back their ideas which can be debated round a table by whoever is deemed fit to decide on change? Then policy can be written and current management appropriately trained. That way we get a transition, we get our innovation and outside skills but we also keep the best of what we already have. When our embedded advisor comes up with a great idea it will be adopted. When they come up with something that's going to Impede someone will have an opportunity to explain why before it goes live. This whole lets give it a whirl and see if anything breaks just seems reckless to me.
  15. Judges win pension case

    Yes... but as any finding can't be retrospective and as the process is likely to take at least three years there will be very few if any people left on tapering and of any that are the impact will be minimal as their time will almost be up..... It's basically warning the horse to be careful of the gate that will shut behind it.....
  16. Judges win pension case

    Which is why the claim that fighting for our pensions might do more harm than good is either ill conceived or disingenuous....
  17. Direct entry as Inspector.

    Say what you want- just stick to the opinions rather than the opinion holders whom to be fair you have never met and have very little information upon which to facilitate judgement.
  18. Direct entry as Inspector.

    I would suggest the need for change in a functioning system is the thing that needs to be evidenced, not the need not to. Evolution has a lot of dead ends and extinctions and I would rather we didn't utilise trial and error when lives are at stake. So I disagree- where is the evidence? I am not the one saying things are so bad we must transplant a major organ in the Policing physiology....
  19. Direct entry as Inspector.

    We have the NCRS which creates a serious disadvantage internationally when comparing crime stats. We have serious acquisitive crime issues I admit, but we also have a do not imprison policy nationally and despite this prisons overcrowded beyond belief! Who filled those prisons in an environment where you hardly ever get locked up for anything? How many citizens died due to Police use of force ? How safe do our people feel in comparison to France or Italy or Germany? If the problem is command level..who is in command currently? Senior officers who spent little time on the front line with ridiculous ideas about things they never experienced? And we are going to improve on that by parachuting more inexperienced people into the middle ranks as well? Cancer to fight cancer perhaps? Does that even work? Lastly Hillsborough, Stephen Lawrence .... How many of the officers today were at school when those things happened ? But you think the organisation needs to change to combat something that occurred before nearly all of us even joined? There is no validity or thought beyond the superficial in your argument- try again.
  20. Direct entry as Inspector.

    I have thick skin.. By the way HMS/Andy G are currently the same person- There's a bug where I post as AndyG from my iPhone.... I am not whoever made that account and no idea why it happens. I actually don't have any hurt feelings on the matter. My irritation such as it is,is this. Why can't we just debate the issues? Why must it always become personal? When I get to the point where I am being insulted I actually see that as my point is likely won. If my opponent could dispute it they would have done so rather than ragging on me. Sarcasm is I have no doubt not peculiar to your force but we are debating by text. Use your sarcasm by all means but attack the ideas and opinions not the holder of them. The debate will continue much longer and be much a more enlightening and happy experience for all involved. Am I really saying this? It feels like I'm instructing children on how to use a knife and fork at table... Seriously you are an adult, you know this, just behave. I'm not personally hurt... It's just disappointing and it feels like I chose the wrong arena to fight in that's all. I want to debate and argue... Not observe on how stupid you must be to hold your opinion, I want to make you reappraise it. Mock me if you wish. I won't bother saying anything but you will know what I think.. The point of my shameless self aggrandisement was this- I learned my job over significantly more than three years. I am no slouch. No three year direct entry, through no fault of their own is going to be able to do what I can, and what I do is a lot about saving lives and preventing serious harm. So you want me to be ashamed of my intellect and skill or at least have the British decency to keep quiet about it? Fine. Don't make is an issue... Don't try and put unqualified people into my job and you will hear nothing more from me about why they can't do it.
  21. Direct entry as Inspector.

    The British Police are NOT generally rightly criticised. The vast majority of complaints against Police have dematerialised in the face of body worn video. The progressive liberal view that we are all racist bullies is a lie based on lies. Maybe as a white man I'm not allowed a voice on this but there's enough black cops of both sexes who will back me up. Anywhere else in the world, look at the brutality, the corruption and the failure to deliver justice.... Where is better than us? I'm not buying into this sweeping "just accept it" rubbish. There is a new wave of thought called "Evidence based policing". Essentially what it says is- no more change for changes sake- you want to say something needs to change then fine- SHOW US THE EVIDENCE. Don't just tell us we're s**t and we need to change and some random with 3 years training is going to fix us. Show me facts.
  22. Additional direction indicators

    So in summary.. Probably best not to do it.....
  23. Pre-employment learning?

    I could speculate on why that might be between training delivery suites but if you are all attending the same place....... My suggestion is do the pre-learning regardless. If you are expected to know some basic law and on day one you are straight into scenarios that's a good way to end up on a Reg 13 before you have even met your team....