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  1. 5 points
    I just got back last weekend from two weeks at home in Manchester. The area around the Arena is very familiar to me and i was round and about there a few times during my stay. I spent much of yesterday making sure my family and friends were safe; fortunately, they were. As Zulu' said, Manchester is a strong city; it is also a very diverse city and i am always heartened when I hear a broad Manc' accent spoken by someone who looks Asian, Chinese, African or from some other part of the globe - somehow, it seems to show the city we are - very international with historic ties to many places and a deep history of social justice and innovation - Emmeline Pankhust (a great x 4 relation) - a great emancipator, Tom Kilburn, Tommy Flowers and Alan Turing - the three leading lights in the development of the world's first computers; Messrs Rolls and Royce, A V Roe and many engineers who led the world; not forgetting our sport - Man United and Man City (not forgetting our most heroic foreign player - Bert Trautmann, a German former PoW who played the last 20 minutes of the 1956 Cup Final with a broken neck). That's the city we Mancs are proud to call home. To the families and friends of those killed or injured no words will ever put right their loss and hurt. How unfair that they should suffer because of the warped ideology of a few. For a family to be injured and also lose their Mum, an off-duty Police Officer, and for two Polish sisters to lose their parents seems incomprehensible. May they all Rest In Peace and families eventually be able to remember only the good times with their loved ones. GMP seem to be on top of the situation - arrests have also been made in Libya (the suicide bomber's brother and father). perhaps this atrocity could have been prevented if adequate resources were available - we will probably never know. What was obvious to me was that however slim the resources, on the night as people fled from the scene, men and women from GMP were running towards the unknown to provide whatever aid they could and uphold their oath of office.For that we can be very thankful and for the ambulance and fire crews and the NHS teams who are still working on some of the worst injuries. Manchester aand UK are at their best when backs are against the wall.
  2. 4 points
    I am posting a second message because I did not want to tarnish Elaine's memory with any other remarks. However, I think the time has come for firm action to be taken against the threat-within that exists in many of our big cities. In the short term, all immigration of young men, that is anyone who claims to be from 12 to 35, from Muslim countries must be halted until we can get a grip on the situation. Those on the watch-lists need to be dealt with - if they are not born in UK, they should be removed to their home country immediately - no appeals, no false-flag human rights crap. Remember, this current suicide scrote was born in UK of a Libyan father who himself was an Al Qaeda activist who got UK refugee status on the basis that he opposed Qaddafi; he's now back there working for the police in one of the Islamist stronghold (but even they don't trust him as he has been arrested by them along with his other son). Those born in UK should be removed if they are of foreign parentage. If they are not they must be screened, tagged and subject to tight curfews and restrictions on travel outside their home. At the same time, all mosques must be subject to review - any that have even a hint of extremist views needs to be told that they must remove the extremists or be closed. This isn't an attack on Islam because the perversion of extremism isn't found in the normal interpretation of the Koran nor the teachings of their prophet. This sounds draconian and "not the British way" - well, so be it, It isn't the British way to allow our children to be murdered because of a perverted ideology and idly standby whilst the perpetrators look for more opportunities to harm the country and its people. This situation has been developing for some time; now is the time to stamp down very hard and remove the rot. this can be followed by more efforts to integrate all children into a non-religious education system where rights go along side-by-side with responsibilities and loyalty.
  3. 4 points
    Its a sad indictment of society that NHS staff and paramedics can't be expected to get through their shifts without being assaulted.
  4. 4 points
    I am not a Police officer but have enough experience of policing and as a junior, middle & senior manager in a number of structured organisations, to know that Direct entry to Police above the level of Constable would be very dangerous. There are very few non-Police managers who will have the breadth of experience that will enable them to take both a strategic and tactical view of policing situations and, at the same time, have the tacit knowledge gained from personal experience, that is essential when making decisions within split-seconds and under pressure. I have a pretty open mind (RM please note ) when it comes to developing people and moving them up in organisations depending on their skills and capabilities. However, a Policing environment is different - the "stakeholders" (sorry about that word) in a policing situation are not just Police Officers but the vast array of the public as individuals or organisations with varying levels of interest. To be able to deal with such interests, a Police Supervisor needs experience in dealing with people often in traumatic / pressured situations. That doesn't often happen in office environments nor even in the retail trade. What might be appropriate is for some senior level Police jobs that do not require warranted powers to be done by non-Police officers but the essence of the British Police Officer on-the-streets is that he/she is experienced, can exercise split-second judgement, can be compassionate and well-versed in the rights and wrongs of the Law and what actions they must take or can exercise with discretion. There might be small numbers of former Armed Forces SNCOs and officers who might be able to bring the necessary tactical / strategic skills & experience but run-of-the-mill civilian managers - sorry, not on!
  5. 4 points
    Mark, I'm sure things vary from force to force but personally I am knackered. Every shift I am playing catch up. Last set of lates I had to stay on until 5am on one of them and 3 on the others just to catch up with my admin(and I don't get overtime). Every current missing person is supposed to be reviewed and taskings added. I am usually covering absences so have a responsibility covering a square mileage you wouldn't believe and I daren't write because the public will read it. Every new missing person has to be risk assessed and if it's high I co-ordinate as SIO. On nights I cover PACE as well, I do all the authorisations for vehicle seizures, over time and SIG markers. I am providing advice to often upward of 6 sergeants. Anything that requires safeguarding I review and ratify in writing what we have and haven't done and in between I deal with my complaints workload. I also have assessments for temporary Sergeants under my supervision to do for their promotion diplomas. While juggling all that I attend anything that sounds griefy, violent, complicated or messy. I review the deaths and decide if it's sus or not and carry the can for anything that goes wrong. I make sure I am seen about in all the nicks so people can doorstep me and am constantly putting out "fires". I am just touching on the tip of the iceberg of what I do and what my responsibilities are. -Every shift I am in 30 minutes to an hour early and off frequently long after all the PC's and my sergeants have gone home. On RD's I am checking emails appealing annual leave refusals and negotiating attachments for courses- If I didn't my inbox would fill up too fast I also stand in the CI/Supts office and pin my ears back and take the heat when a PC or skipper makes a mistake-Where I can I absorb that heat and if they don't need to know my teams don't hear about it. One of the new Inspectors on my rotation regularly went to the gents to throw up because his anxiety levels got so high with the responsibility he was carrying.... When I was a PC I had no idea what the Inspector did and very cushy it looked too. Don't get me wrong I enjoy my role but I/we work hard too. If my team spoke about me the way you've talked about your Insp I would be mortified.... HMS
  6. 4 points
    And I put minds at rest, Chief Cheetah has been a long standing member of the forum communities across the board. Generally participation before the change in forum ownership before this one! It is nice to see that he is part of the new Admin team!
  7. 3 points
    Where have all the old contributors gone to. When the site changed in January I found great difficulty in accessing the forum. I had registered originally with an email address I no longer used because it had been hacked. I could not change my password or anything. It was fortunate that I was able to contact the administrator and Moderators and they managed to sort out my new (Well old secure) email address and for me to set a new password. But where on earth are Quokka, Westie, Itoldyouonce, Cheese, Reasonable Man, GManc,Spider, etc,etc. I have joined one of the sister sites but it appears to be mainly Specials and PCSO's who know everything about everything, whilst, at the same time, knowing nothing. Experience is scorned as a dirty word. There do have to be different opinions, otherwise you would have a sterile environment with every poster saying "Yes I agree" agree, agree. I do hope that the old posters on here have not disappeared for good. Come back we need you. This edit was made after someone clicked "Like" The sister also seems to be very much Met orientated and they seem to work off different rules and even laws than the rest not us Plebs. And before someone replies, I am not anti Met, but there is life north of Watford Gap.
  8. 3 points
    Likewise O.C. As far as I am concerned there should be a zero tolerance regarding any form of violence in our hospitals. Like you I visited and encouraged visits by my officers. Nothing like a cuppa and personally knowing the staff.
  9. 3 points
    I always made a point of visiting A&E Departments when on patrol and as a sgt & inspector I frequently instructed my PCs to do likewise. Quite often, if trouble occurred there were already police officers in the A&E Departments already dealing with RTCs, assaults etc. that had occurred outwith the hospital and they would always intervene if necessary to deal with any disturbances occurring within A&E. Eventually, my old force paid officers overtime to police A&E Departments on Friday and Saturday nights but in the present financial situation I understand this no longer happens. I always thought it was a disgrace that people (usually patients) would act in an abusive manner towards medical staff but when alcohol enters the equation (and it usually does on these occasions) then all logical thought evaporates.
  10. 3 points
    I am not biased against direct entry because I have no right to be. However, as a fairly experienced senior manager across a number of public service-type organisations and 27 years as a Special, I have a view that the complexities and challenges of Policing are such that it would be dangerous to put relatively inexperienced individuals into command positions in potentially difficult situations. I know I need not tell you that the consequences of mistakes in such situations are significant - not just for the individual making the mistake but also others involved in the situation. I do not think that the marginal benefit that some might see from direct entry is worth the trauma and cost that would ensue from an inexperienced direct-entry Inspector making a cock-up simply because they did not have the depth of experience they would have gained if they had joined as a PC and progressed to Inspector through time as a PS.
  11. 3 points
    Just what I wanted to hear. My concerns have been answered, I was going to offer my help to ease the IT issues previously but looks like you have got it covered. Cheers Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  12. 3 points
    The hearing was held in public and some disturbing facts emerged. The Chief Constable was at the event, as a guest, for some event promoting women. he was concerned about the drunken state of his ACC and asked a then female Chief Inspector to see her to her hotel as he was concerned. The ACC then went into a drunken tirade accusing the other of having had breast surgery, and the rest followed on. They were going to deal with it as an internal advice job but then after discussions decided to start discipline proceedings. I think that the whole circumstances showed that the ACC was unfit for her role and I am astounded that the discipline panel recommended that she should not lose her job. It was also a surprise that one of the panel members was Sir Tom Winsor, how and why I do not know. The woman Chief Inspector later transferred to Cumbria on promotion to Superintendent. I wonder if this was an arrangement to pacify her and smooth things over. As the Chief was a guest at the event his overnight accommodation and everything else was a "freebie". I would like to know who paid for this Women's event and question the decision of the Chief Constable to accept a "Freebie". I am afraid that anything else, other than dismissal, would be unacceptable.
  13. 3 points
    I think the problem is in the large print:- He tried to cover it up!!!! Blatant dishonesty, not what we or the service really want! If he'd put his hands up and admitted the mistake, the worst he could have faced was a bill for correcting the error.
  14. 2 points
    When I joined, over 50 years ago, the height limit for most police forces in the UK was around 5'10'' with 2 or 3 requiring candidates to be 6'0''. It was necessary in those days for police officers to be large persons as we lacked the excellent equipment which today's officers are issued with to defend themselves or summon assistance quickly and frequently had to depend on our physical prowess to carry out certain aspects of policing. However, things have moved on and given the kit which today's officers are issued, physical prowess and appearance are not as necessary as they were at one time. I see many officers on the streets today who are les than your 5'8''. Good luck.'
  15. 2 points
    Just a quick note to thank the mod for PMing this poster for me - nice to see helpful, useful, commonsense moderation under the new management Under a different username I was one of many who left under the old regime due to tyrannical and often non-sensical modding I've returned to test the waters and it seems sanity has been restored. I shall be hanging around and will be encouraging others to return
  16. 2 points
    We are alright now CC says we are covered: In a statement today, Mr Bangham, of the NPCC, said police officers responding to emergencies are covered by legal guidance that shows it is not in the public interest to prosecute them.READ MORE "There are clear exemptions in law for officers in these situations. Together with our colleagues in the fire and ambulance services we are deeply proud to be a service that reacts first to protect the public from danger. “Current guidance from the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Crown Prosecution Service already recognises that it is unlikely to be in the public interest to prosecute officers for driving offences while they are responding to emergency calls. "There have been very few incidents in which an officer responding to emergency has been prosecuted or had misconduct charges brought against them." Not for these people……..so why did the guidance not cover them & how can we trust what you say Mr Bangham? PC James Holden was charged PC Vaughan Lowe was charged Adam Steventon was charged PC Lee Drake was found guilty
  17. 2 points
    I feel its now more about vengeance than justice. The public have a thirst for blood, and the government want to give it to them to appease them. The country will not rest until people are convicted and perhaps imprisoned. Yet I do wonder how a jury can be found that can be unbiased, and not have knowledge of the disaster, and not have been influenced by media etc. I wonder if this will prevent any court case going ahead, or be grounds for appeal?
  18. 2 points
    Not at all surprised. As we all know, the Liverpool supporters were not in any way responsible for the events that happened that day. There was no drunkeness nor rowdy behaviour and the responsibility must fall on one man - the Police Officer in command. Someone has to be hung out to dry to appease the families and justify more than UKP 90 millions being spent on investigations. It seems Mr Dukinfield was acquitted after a private prosecution some years ago. If he is acquitted of these new charges, will the CPS (in the tradition of that paragon of justice Tony Bliar) just re-frame the charges until some jury or other finds him guilty to satisfy the baying masses of Liverpudlians!
  19. 2 points
    It is a rare opportunity indeed these days. MY first was not a great hit but it started me smoking again, after being stopped for 12 months. Visually I had no problem, as I was told, "Do not think of it as a body, but a piece of meat in a butchers shop. It is a corpse, no feelings but a dead body". I was ok with that as I got the visual impact correct in my mind. However the smell was something that I got completely wrong although, at subsequent P.M.'s it did not affect me because I then knew what to expect. If you want a tip to help with that, get a small jar of "Vick" and smear a very small amount on your nostrils it masks the smell, and that advice was given to me by a pathologist. If you watch and listen you should find it extremely interesting, if he is giving a commentary on what he is doing; showing the sights of a Cardio infarction (Heart attack), or of Cranial haemorrhage (Stroke). If he corpse is of a smoker he/she will show you the condition of the lungs. Non Smoker pink and healthy whereas a smoker will look black and resemble more of a large piece of Coke from a fire. Also prepare yourself for when they use a saw to open the skull, it can be like a dentist drill going through you. There will be many who will leave the room, or even pass out, it is nothing unusual. Hope this does not put you off too much but, hopefully it may prepare you better. Edit, Forgot to mention, the body was once a person so treat the whole process with respect.
  20. 2 points
    Of course, it goes without saying, that my condolences are to the families who lost loved ones in the Manchester Arena attack, RIP all those who lost their lives, and I wish a very speedy recovery to all those injured too. Having said all that, I have just seen Sky news, and it was announced that one of those who was killed was a serving police officer. As a retired police officer now, I would also like to say the same to that officer and their family too. On the report that I saw, it did not say whether it was a male or female officer. It matters not. They were killed carrying out their duty, and whether past or present, it could have been any one of us. As I said, RIP.
  21. 2 points
    One of the problems with manifestos and policies is that people only think very superficially and never think about the bigger picture. Whilst you might not have heating allowance, other policies that they intend to introduce may well have the effect of making you better off. It seems to be a common misconception with Police officers that the Tories hate the Police and as Labour have said they will recruit another 10,000 Police officers (at varying costs!!) so therefore we will be far better off under Labour. They conveniently seem to forget the fact that to pay for all these extra things Labour are promising, it's going to cost an astonishing extra £75 billion, which quite simply means far heavier taxation. As for what OC mentioned above, I thoroughly agree with. My father is extremely rich, however he gets winter fuel allowance. Why?
  22. 2 points
    You are completely wrong. I am not in the least against those who genuinely suffer from fuel poverty and have difficulty paying heating bills receiving Winter Fuel Allowance. What I do oppose is the payment of this allowance to those perfectly able to pay it without recourse to the benefit system and I would suggest that a significant number of recipients of this allowance are (like me) well able to pay their own way. So the many you refer to who are ``not alright through no fault of their own'' would continue to receive the allowance and the Benefits System would actually be able to pay them an increase in the amount of allowance they receive due to those who do not need it having the allowance withdrawn. What can possibly be wrong with that? Unfortunately, our Benefits System has become a gravy train which a significant number of the population feel it is OK to dip into (if they get the opportunity) even when they have no genuine need of the assistance. It is a `fill your boots' mentality. Politicians of all hues have contributed to this situation by giving bribes to the electorate which are politically difficult to withdraw when they become unsustainable or when it is recognised that they may be inappropriate in certain cases.
  23. 2 points
    These individuals represent everything this country does not need and I do not trust either of them. Quite apart from the economy I remind myself of how they both supported the IRA and continue to refuse to condemn terrorism.
  24. 2 points
    Thanx Chief, I did miss the chance of having a good old moan about something, and making some good points too
  25. 2 points
    To a great extent I think you are correct but at the end of the day it has to be said that UKIP has been a success story in that they were at the forefront of propelling the UK towards taking the necessary action leading to us leaving the EU. I voted for UKIP and if the same circumstances prevailed i would do so again. It served its purpose and I am grateful for those who created it and worked for its principal end purpose. I shall not do as I have always done and vote for whichever political party I feel is most likely to be best for the UK and at the moment I have no doubt that party is the Conservative Party. I think UKIP will only reassert itself if the electorate feel HMG is beginning to drag its feet over our exit from the EU but suspect and hope that is unlikely to happen.
  26. 2 points
    Things continue to get worse. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I hear these stories. Still, one of my ancestors told the that my old force used to hire horses from a local undertaker many decades ago when they required a mounted detachment for events but they eventually decided to purchase horses for the mounted branch. Perhaps things will go the full circle and police forces will one day by their own cars.
  27. 2 points
    I would argue the increase is more in line of folk being more risk averse. With the IPCC forever eager to get involved it's a case of bottom covering.
  28. 2 points
    Zulu' To be frank, I think references are worthless unless they are properly examined - in the case of candidates for entry to any Police position (warranted or not), all referees should be visited and examined on their assessment of the individual (I wouldn't do this until the final stage when someone is seriously being considered for appointment). This used to happen - I know for certain that when I joined the Met Specials my three referees were personally interviewed by the then Manchester City Police. One was my former school headmaster who said I was unlikely to stick at it as my attention was quickly diverted - I saw this and the other referees' comments just after I received the first bar to my LS&GC medal (our Regular Liaison Inspector had a sense of the ironic in showing me the headmaster's comments). To get back to the references issue - no-one gives a person as a referee unless they think they will give a good reference. I have done maybe 20+ referee visits and only once did someone suggest that the subject individual might be unsuitable. A lot of background checking these days is done on-line - social-media is a potential mine of information about attitudes, opinions, acquaintances etc but you cannot beat a face-to-face interview with someone who knows the candidate! One way or another, these individuals were either very lucky or "love" made them irrational .............. I'm a cynic - so I think the seeds of dishonesty and poor character were there all the time - they just weren't identified for whatever reason!
  29. 2 points
    The truth of the matter is that Policescotland is totally and utterly broke. Since its creation various methods have been used in an attempt to make economies, including the controversial reduction of police support staff which means that many officers who should be on operational duties now have to undertake those functions latterly perfromed by the support staff who are no longer there. It has been obvious for some time that the only way to successfully achieve the cash savings required is to reduce the numbers of sworn officers abd that it what is being done. I know of nobody who truly believes anything other than that. The statements issuing from the current Chief Constable and others in authority concerned with Police Scotland amount to nothing more than smoke and mirrors in attempt to placate the public. Why can't they just say `Look, we are broke. We will have to reduce the saize of our establishment if we are to get anywhere near the savings necessary and the public weill just have to accept the reduced service they will receive.''
  30. 2 points
    Absolutely the same where I am. Response officers taking no ownership of incidents, standard of evidential packages regularly poor as a result, and CID constantly trying to pick up the pieces. Whilst response may occasionally work overtime on scene preservation, bed watches and the like, CID officers rarely get off on time, regularly working extended hours. Double shifts and beyond are not unusual. Crime queues running into the 20's and 30's are common, with DS's having to manage teams which, between them, can be carrying 160 crimes plus. A nightmare for the officers, a waking nightmare for DS's who I know are having sleepless nights, and no sort of service for victims. The wheel has well and truly come off down our way.
  31. 2 points
    I don't think that anyone can answer that. I am thankful that the many harrowing things I experienced have had no great effect on me - or rather I don't believe they had. I don't know why that is though. You I had colleagues not so fortunate who went wibble sometimes many years later. Not trying to worry you, just saying some are fortunate while others are not. You should have some sort of assistance through your occupational health department and if you are thinking about this in a day or two I strongly recommend making contact with them. The worst thing you can do is take the macho 'I'm a cop, it's what I'm paid to deal with.' attitude. A former colleague of mine, ex Royal Marine, loud, brash, dealt with anything and laughed it off type went missing about six months after he retired. Turned out he wasn't as capable of dealing with all that stuff as everyone thought. Happy ending but he came back to some psychological treatment to see him through that maybe he should have had years before. Good luck.
  32. 2 points
    I would suggest the need for change in a functioning system is the thing that needs to be evidenced, not the need not to. Evolution has a lot of dead ends and extinctions and I would rather we didn't utilise trial and error when lives are at stake. So I disagree- where is the evidence? I am not the one saying things are so bad we must transplant a major organ in the Policing physiology....
  33. 2 points
    Your opinions and you are welcome to them. I must say though the polcomforum is not just for PCSO's or Specials, regular officers who have got ALOT of experience are some of our most regular contributors,just because they don't agree with you does not mean they "know nothing" As for this forum, yes it is quiet, it has been very quiet for a number of years now, however hopefully in due course it will pick up. What might be more constructive than insulting members from a different forum is to give your ideas on how this forum could be improved?
  34. 2 points
    You are there to make the decisions and you live or die by them. Many times the troops do not know the flack that are shielding them from. Strange that my children now thank me for the guidance through those tender years, up to about 30.
  35. 2 points
    Amy, I did your survey however I would like you and you supervisor to have the following feedback. Your questions are loaded. For example there is an entire section where you force the subject to give evidence of racial bias both positive and negative. There is no option to express that you find it inappropriate to utilise racial stereotypes only to say what they are. Many of your questions are largely binary in nature but the topics you approach much more complex. Like do you believe all rapists should receive punishments beyond imprisonment like "being whipped in the streets". If you are going to ask questions like that you need to give an option for each case being treated on it's own merits. Much of the survey appears aimed at people who are still in full time education rather than Police Officers. Whoever wrote that has a simplistic view of the world and apparently a neo liberal political view with a dislike of Police Officers. In essence Martin Luther King or the Archangel Gabriel(If he exists) could complete your survey and it would make them appear racist. Can I ask you some questions:- Your survey is it intended to a) Denigrate Police Officers b ) Insult Police Officers c) Get rid of Police Officers or d) Embarrass Police Officers. Do you think Police Officers are :- Somewhat racist b ) Very racist c) Extremely racist d) Unicorns Sorry they are the only answers you get and you have to choose one....... This is poor biased work.
  36. 2 points
    Well said HMS. The core of your post is - most PCs don't know what an Insp does. Even less the ranks above that. I was talking to a Supt the other day who was struggling with telling his officers to go home on time and not work on to make the job work - for their health and wellness. While he was working 10-12 hours a day five days a week to get the job done. Easy to criticise someone for sitting in an office. In these days of austerity they really are not going to pay someone £50k + for doing nothing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  37. 2 points
    Our job is largely based around managing conflict. We mediate, we enforce, we suppress the likelihood of harm. Now within the job there are many officers of both sexes who know how to do that. Truthfully though the vast majority of that percentage are men. Men and women are different. Both the men and women that get promoted into leadership positions who cannot perform those core functions generally do not have my respect. Because they didn't have it when they were front line and I helped carry them. Those individuals if they are honest with themselves realise they aren't suited to Policing. If they aren't honest with themselves they say that it is everyone else who isn't suited to Policing. These are the officers who never get to the big fight but take the view that those that did used excessive force or were unprofessional. When they get promoted(often quickly to escape what they can't deal with) they retain this view and become the ivory tower seat polishers and the callers for the acclaimed BEST police force in the world to be reformed. Direct entry is just another way to get more of these cowards into positions of power without getting found out for what they are on the sharp end. Those misogynists of old you refer to RM.... They had a point and what they said was true and was absolutely in the spirit of equality. Men and women - earn your respect and your gender becomes largely irrelevant. Respect does not just get handed to you however. You can be "a woman" or you can have as much scrambled egg on your cap as you like. Man or woman I'll respect you as a Police officer when you've earned it.
  38. 2 points
    In my old force ,if you passed everything you could be independent at 7 months service.A scary thought ! Be prepared to be endlessly messed about having shifts changed at short notice.The first two years I would agrue you should put your career first, knock your nuts off and get a good reputation. Enjoy the first 6 months but learn as much law as you can ( I wish I had). Good luck.I echo the above post re PSD the only department which has grown year on year.
  39. 2 points
    @Ygnharad The two founders of Police.Community created a new company along with myself and we called it RAW Digital Media. This was to enable us to acquire the three forums PoliceSpecials.com, UKPoliceonline.co.uk and PoliceUK.com. Basically it's the same two original people with the addition of a third person, me. We all are or have been serving officers in UK police forces all in different capacities and of different ranks. Between us we have decades of experience in IT and of running online forums.
  40. 2 points
    The government seems to use an increase in penalties as a cheap way of dealing with the core problem as opposed to putting money into enforcement in the first place. I have got two problems with the idea. First, hardly anyone currently gets more than 5 years for dangerous driving under the current sentencing guidelines so the proposal is only going to affect a minuscule number of offenders, so the headlines it grabs are completely out of proportion to the number of people it will affect. I think that a more effective strategy would be to look at current sentencing guidelines and see if these can be changed to allow longer prison sentences within the current 14 year max, then wait and see what the more serious incidents merit. The Tories have however increased penalties for hand held mobile phone use but without increasing resources for enforcement, which is a cheap way of looking tough without actually spending any money. The sum total will be a decreasing number of people being hit with higher penalties without acting as a deterrent to the majority who seem to think its OK to use phones in the car. They have also moved away from education (mobile phone awareness classes for offenders) to increased penalties. There seems to be evidence that the number of RTCs and deaths and injuries on the roads is creeping up which seems to have coincided with the decimation of RPU units and the reduction in time for response to deal with driving offences. The governments solution is to increase penalties, but the presence of police on the road acts as a deterrent to bad practice which seems to be ignored by HMG.
  41. 2 points
    Or maybe he just decided... I will talk to whoever the **** I want and I'm not going to be bullied....Maybe.
  42. 2 points
    As someone said recently:- You can stop me from doing something. You can stop me from saying something, but you cannot stop me thinking about something. Bristow, I feel should have listened to that and not made himself look like a bit of a prat by using (un)social media.
  43. 2 points
    OK, I guess I got the wrong end of the stick with this story then. I thought the issues with what he said were that he used the word 'poof' to describe the paedophile who abused these young boys, and that he suggested that had it happened to him, when he had grown up, he'd have hunted down the person who had abused him, and done him some harm - rather than tell people what had happened to him. In that way, he was suggesting that darts-players were more men than footballers. Because this sort of thing is all about being manly...................no, wait......... 'Poof', to my way of thinking, is a generational word, I don't know anybody under 40 who would use that word. Not publicly anyway. I don't even know whether it's the sort of word that is used ironically within the gay community, like the N word is used between some black people. I wouldn't begin to even think about asking somebody for fear of offending them........but to be fair, my understanding is that it's offensive to gay people, so that pretty much is all I need to know. I find the subjects of race, sexism, homophobia et al, to all be ones which are (generally) just best not commented on in case I inadvertently say something that upsets somebody, somewhere. That sort of stuff can be career-limiting and job-losing. SO best not mentioned. And that sort of attitude, doesn't help progress anything, but it's that sort of attitude that has been created by those who are possibly as intolerant as those who would have those sort of negative attitudes in the first place. Don't ban me from saying something, discuss with me, debate and educate me. Or just point at me and call me a name. Because one is easier than the others. I'd say that stopping people using certain words hasn't done much to promote equality. What it's done is enabled a veneer of "we don't tolerate that sort of behaviour", over how people act publicly. People still harbor prejudices, just nowadays they know better than to publicise them, or speak them in the workplace. I think we still work in a society where you're allowed to have personal opinions on anything, as long as those personal opinions don't affect how you deal with people you might have an opinion about. Twitter allows people to do all sorts of things, including display gaps in a person's education, level of intelligance, or tolerance of others. Hang on. There's a knock at the door.........oh it's Professional Standards..........they want to interview me about being a sexist, racist, homophobic bigot...........I'm honestly not, but there is always somebody waiting in the wings to be offended.
  44. 2 points
    Eric Bristow made comments which in my personal view, like a lot of twitter comments have absolutely no value what so ever. Because of this, I will place him in the same class of stupidity as Donald Trump. In his case, it is because of his (Trump's) comments where he allegedly admitted indecently assaulting a number of women. As for being a hate crime? Possibly some well meaning solicitor would say so, but whether or not it fits the definition of the offence, I don't know. As I said before it had no value and something that should have kept to himself. If the shoe had been on the other foot, would he be so quick to dissmiss what must have been a traumatic time for the alleged victims
  45. 2 points
    I am well-aware of the academic theory but, like all theories, whilst it may have its champions and adherents, there are others - perhaps like me - who say that there can be exceptions to all theories. the advantage that the academics have is that they invariabley have a depth of research (I don't say "knowledge" because sometimes they are in possession of few hard facts that we might expect). I am fortunate to have worked closely with a lot of academics - some are good, some are bad and some, frankly, very indifferent. The one thing they have in common is that they will invariably support each other and, unless there's the chance of a major accolade, will rarely challenge each other (although challenging is more likely to happen in the physical sciences). I take your point about age and susceptibility to unconscious bias (and new-borns' lack of it but, if you accept the theory of "original sin", you could not be quite so certain about that) But I reiterate my view that my bias are all conscious - and I stick by it. As you don't know me, you only have theory to support your view. Maybe we should leave it there?
  46. 2 points
    You could apply to any opinion and viewpoint held by anyone and it applies euqlly to those who favour unfettered immigration. Like OAH, any bias I hold is certainly of the concious variety and if I also have an unconcious bias it is really subordinate to the conscious one and is therefore of such a similar nature to the extent that it doesn't really matter.
  47. 2 points
    I rarely meet anyone who is absolutely against immigration. All most people want in regard to that issue is that we should have the ability and right to choose which immigrants we want and decline those we don't. I fail to see how anyone could object to that.
  48. 2 points
    Cheese, the vote on the EEC was one of the first that I had, and I remember the campaigns quite clearly. The vote was for the European Economic ic Community, the clue was in the name. The EEC was high jacked by a European Political elite who wanted more power at Brussels and with various treaties it Morphed into the ogre of the EU. The democratic EU presided over by the unelected Commission trampling individual countries. No mention of a common currency, which fortunately we did not join. Although those who are supporting the Remainers would have had us join. As HMS has said, because we vote out, it does not make some reviled racist, as some would have you believe. Race, as far as I was concerned had nothing to do with my vote. As for immigration, I have no problem with Sikhs, Hindus, there religion is based largely around honour and trust. Now I cannot say the same about Muslims. But, that is not about race, it is about religion, for we are still regarded as 'the infidel' and there is no dishonour in cheating or disrespecting the infidel. Perhaps if you visited places like India you would realise the perspective of that problem. I have no problem with any immigrant who us going to contribute to our society. Look at the Eastern European crime gangs who thrive here and you realise the dangers of EU free borders. Across the world you can look at other societies who have preyed on the Google will of Britain. Look at some of the crime gangs and societies, The Yardies, The Triads, and others who have prospered thanks to our generous good will. Even within their own communities in this country, these gangs and societies are feared and equally despised. Speaking the truth and pointing out these issues is not racist, it is honest free speech.
  49. 2 points
    To be quite honest, look at the width of the vehicle and compare this to the width of the marked parking places! I think no matter where the van had been parked, it would have made little difference. Try to park in the space on the left and the access to that car is restricted and the passenger in the police van would not be able to get out. Park over on the right hand bay and the space to the left would be unusable except for a motorcycle, and the driver would not be able to get out. Talk about rock and a hard place - come on be reasonable! If this is all that the person who took the picture has to grumble about in his/her little world then they need to get out a bit more and think about possible circumstances why something has happened not lead with both feet. There is a minimum recommended width for car spaces in a car park and these must be absolutely, exactly on that minimum limit. It has has been suggested that now, with some vehicles actually as wide as this limit (not counting the van)they (The RAC) meaning larger 4x4's, it is time that this minimum width was increased.
  50. 2 points
    Yes... Whereas before there was no case at all and we should just let it drop.... But now there is! ...But if we win then things will be worse than they are now...... Perhaps the Fed should tell those Judges- They are probably blissfully unaware of the pitfall they are about to walk into and need expert legal advice... Ok. I'm going to stop being sarcastic now... This has always been morally and legally wrong. People entered into pension agreements-Individually paid hundreds of thousands of pounds into them, then had the rules changed retrospectively. In order to do that the law was changed- Generally when that happens it doesn't act retrospectively in any case. Aside from that people were discriminated against. Reform is reform not retroform. I am tired of being fed manure and being told it's apple pie. Enough people spit it out and eventually someone owns up to it being manure but tells us we should feel fortunate enough to eat it. Well not me - I call BU775#1T.