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  1. 2 points
    Funny how these two stories are seen as the same when one poster is complaining that he wasn't believed when he was the first person spoken to while the other poster is complaining about the opposite - that the police believed the person reporting. People just complain when they don't get their own personal view of justice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. 1 point
    Direct entry DCs are not exactly the most popular change to happen to the police in recent years, partly because police look at candidates as missing out on the hard, boring and unpleasant side of the job by starting straight away as an investigator who doesn't get their hands dirty. I may also be misinterpreting Susan's thought process behind her debate to go for a uniformed role or to reapply as a DE DC, but I hope you're not looking at a uniformed role as being second best in comparison to the DCs role. Starting in uniform gives you a great grounding in dealing with a wide variety of incidents right at the start of the process and also gets you used to dealing with aggression as well as the smells and unpleasant side of the job. It also means that you might have more opportunity to move around more later which may mean better promotion prospects if that interests you.
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    I’m sorry to say this, Susan, but in the event you finally get in as a direct entry detective, and any of your new colleagues, uniform or otherwise, find out that you turned down an opportunity to take a more traditional route, you are likely to find yourself getting some stick. The police service have become obsessed with direct entry into certain roles, and as a time served DS I can tell you there is no substitute for a varied grounding in uniform duties before taking the plunge and becoming PIP2 qualified. It also disappoints me that Forces even contemplate offering a direct entry route into detective posts, given that many really good uniformed colleagues, who are chomping at the bit to become detectives, are never afforded the opportunity.
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    I wonder what your motivation is for joining the Police if you are turned down for a Detective position , are offered a uniformed position instead but are now uncertain whether uniform is an option you want to pursue. Being a Police Officer - in whatever position - is an all-encompassing life not just a job that works regular hours. Perhaps like my icon, I am a bit of a dinosaur but some time / experience in uniform could only make you a better detective.
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    Hi. Congrats. Probably Altbergs. Peacekeeper P1 Aqua’s are great. Police Federation give discounts. [emoji3][emoji1303] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. 1 point
    Hi all, Im a serving PC with 5 years in, I was a special before for 2 years and I recently transferred out of a city force to a county force. Just after a bit of advice and for a place to discuss my thoughts on the job currently. I know theres been a lot of very simiar posts so I hope this isnt another depressing read for everyone and will happily take any ideas/advice on board, Im on the verge of walking out the door with the police, Im in the process of looking for another job and taking an IT course next month as a start. I began as a special in a county force in 07 whilst at college as literally just out of curiousity because I fancied some voluntary work and couldn't join the RNLI because I lived too far away. No family members have been in the police etc. Like most specials I got a real bug and absolutely loved every second, it was fun, I learned a lot of skills and techniques from people in the police and especially from regular PC's. Morale was good and being a PC was a very sought after thing for anybody, espcially specials. I finished college and joined as a regular in a city force in 09. What I then experienced seemed to just go downhill from the start, tutorship was good due to a great sgt but then after our intake got moved around neighbourhood and town centre teams, only 4 months later to start on response when there was a space. Response seemed to be an absolute mess of a unit, 12 hour shift pattern with no crossover period so always off late, not enough broken down, knackered vehicles to go around, cheap useless kit, a massive amount of constant watches, crime scenes, hospital guards, front desk etc that need covering (not just me, a lot of new/non drivers used whenever needed), even when you would be out in a car, you would have little or no time to be proactive as you would be a slave to the control room to meet call times. All these bits aside my main gripe was that what I hoped was going to be a fun, exciting, well worked streamline policing system was actually a very long, drawn out backwards set of procedures that were immensly frustrating. Endless pointless paperwork and reports to be filled out, paper statements that to do properly, can take ages, queuing for hours and hours in custody to book prisoners in only to be met by a sgt that doesnt want to be there, nearly any prisoner with an issue to be either put on a constant or HG, eventually going up and pleeding with the Case unit to take on your prisoner, any issues or items missing then it would be straight back to you to deal with, waiting hours for solicitors and then hours on the phone to CPS for a decision. A simple shoplifter could take all day. I also found that I realised that what I was actually dealing with day in day out was virtually all absolute rubbish, facebook arguments, ridiculous petty assaults or thefts, drunken people that are treated as if they are cancer patients, faked mental health and welfare checks by the bucket load for people that have no self responsibilty. And a huge list of other calls that you know are made up just to use the police as leverage to get what they want. For every 1 good call you had 50 bad ones. Answering and working on britains culture of expectancy was absolutely infuriating. Then all of that work for someone to get a pointless fine, a day served or the whole thing thrown out of court. A suspect spat in my face once and I was due to receive £50 compensation after a length court case on rest days. A few months passed with no word and I finally received a cheque for 86p. On questioning this with the courts they told me the suspect was paying five other victims through his benefits and this was what I was due to receive every month for the best part of 5 years. I told them not to insult me any further, give the payments to charity and I put the phone down This I think was the turning point where I lost a lot of faith in the job and the policing system. Its incredibly difficult to do proper investigations and interviews and care about them when you know someone has made it up or it wont go anywhere or solve anything, naturally you just dont put any real passion or care into it and slowly officers just end up doing the minimum required because of this. Little miss miggins doesnt get burgled as often as I hoped, as strange as that sounds. And even if she did get burgled, the chance of you locking up that guy for a long time and serving justice is pretty remote. On a positive note I was heavily involved in the Riots in 2011 which I am still very proud of. I still think of that as the pinnacle of my policing career and look at my commendation with a lot of pride and satisfaction. That was real policing and why I joined. I did a 27 hour shift on the Monday (8th of August) and would happily do it again tomorrow. I moved to a private unit for 18 months after that which was for my personal life where it was a lot quieter and our work levels were low. I enjoyed this and then realised the reason I was enjoying it was because I wasnt actually doing much police work so I started to question whether a future in the police was for me. I thought about specilazing or promotion, but didnt believe that specialist units like firearms were supported in their use of force and their purpose and that promotion wasn't going to solve anything. Then enters the budget/pension cuts/staff and resources cut/officers getting kicked out at the drop of hat or even put in prison for minor offences/low morale and all the other politics that we've discussed on here. As a last ditch effort I transferred to a county force (different than the first force) last year, hoping the grass was greener. Where the force I work for now was a nice change to what I experienced before and a few of my desires have been answered (better vehicles/kit and courses), new ones have arose, staffing is ridiculously low which makes leave requests pointless and workloads are through the roof. I went to a 20 man fight the other day with just one other, nearest back up was 20 minutes away, whereas Ive seen and been in a lot worse in terms of incidents, this is just an example of how its impossible to do an effective job whilst there. This and the policing system as described above is exactly the same with the same frustrations, I sometimes wonder what job I was doing as a special all those years ago. I also donated bone marrow for a cancer patient a few months ago which was wasn't supported. I had to take a period of unpaid leave leading up to it and returned to work just three days after the procedure because they wouldnt authorise any more unpaid leave due to staffing. I had the option of calling in sick but felt that I shouldnt have to take the hit for something as charitable and as noble as this. Ironic that I actually signed up for the bone marrow charity at a police function do. I did play rugby for my current force and hoped to have trials for the national police team but leave and time off for games isnt supported any more, so its annual or no game. So here I am thinking enough is enough and that I honestly get very little enjoyment out of what I do. I always turn up for work, give my all and I believe Im a well respected officer who doesnt shy away from anything so what more can I ask from myself? My questions are that, is there anyone that has felt this way? Have you been in my position but change your thought process and things have worked out for the best? Or should I just cut my losses and leave while im young enough to learn another trade. Any advice comments you could give would be greatly appreciated If you've made it to the bottom of this page, thank you very much for staying with it. Id also like to add that I hope I haven't offended anyone by what Ive said, If you are a serving PC, Its not my intention to insult or discredit what you may really enjoy, be very proud of and what you have worked incredibly hard to achieve over your years of service. Also if it is your asperation to join, please don't feel as if this is taking anything away from what you aspire to do. Cheers all
  7. 1 point
    I’d guess the police museum would be a good place to start. http://history.west-midlands.police.uk/contact/ museum@west-midlands.pnn.police.uk Twitter @museumcop and @wmphistory
  8. 1 point
    Well if he’s basing it on his own impressions that he picked up from previous situations he’s dealt with that’s arguably not being neutral. I see you’re point, but asking ‘what’s the problem?’ after I explained the threatening behaviour strikes me as a bit bone-headed. no, the one who calls the police is not automatically more reliable in every case and there are devious people who try to frame others, but they shouldn’t just be suspicious of everyone based on the fact that they have seen it happen in other cases.
  9. 1 point
    Its amazing how many people call the police to get their allegation on record first yet turn out to be the source of the problem...
  10. 1 point
    Neutrality must always apply. What if the other party in your situation had called the police before you? Would that mean that they were the responsible one and you were in the wrong. I expect the officer has experience of attending many situations where she has heard two (or more) sides of a story and found the truth to be somewhere in between. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Sounds like he attended a situation and gathered all the information in a neutral way to form an unbiased assessment of the situation. It would be remiss of him to have blindly accepted the first version of events relayed to him. His job was to maintain order and deal with any crimes revealed, sounds like that's what he did. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. 1 point
    I clearly works well in your world. I don't have the energy or the space to point out and discuss the flaws - yes flaws, not discussion points - in what you propose. Good luck getting it implemented. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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  14. 1 point
    You need proper legal advice so speak to a solicitor, or maybe start with Citizens Advice. You won't get the advice you need from anonymous posters on a forum. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    A couple of faults in your system. Would you want the type of person you describe looking after your gran or mum in the care home? What happens to the hard working people who already get up early everyday to tend the graveyards? Do the become unemployed and queue up every morning so they can do the same job for £15 a day? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  16. 1 point
    Congratulations. I'd steer away from Hi-tek magnums, they're comfortable but the insides break up within six months. I'd recommend the Haix tactical, good quality and wear well. If you're on foot, they'll get you through the shift without any problems, good ankle support and last well. https://www.haix.co.uk/haix-black-eagle-tactical-2.0-gtx-high-black?gclid=CjwKCAiA15vTBRAHEiwA7Snfc4kN_czELWBOPyI0BEwHnZqzZ0pjIMsLLk6RC4tLS-cZ3kHwRdCcsxoCnHcQAvD_BwE Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
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  18. 1 point
    A group for male friends were talking about going on a fishing trip the next day, as it was Saturday. Fred asked his wife if he could go, she replied, ''No, I have jobs for you to do''. They all took the mickey, but decided to go without him. When the group arrived at the Camp Site, by the lake, Fred was already there with his tent set up, his rod and line set up, and a few cans of beer by his side. They were all surprised to see Fred and asked him how he had managed to get away for the fishing trip. ''Well '' said Fred, ''I was sitting watching TV, when my wife stepped infront of me wearing this see through negligee and said, ''Take me to the bed room and tie me to the bed, and do what ever you want''. Fred said, ''So here I am''.
  19. 1 point
    A solicitor was driving along a country lane in his Rolls Royce. He saw a man sitting at the side of the road eating grass. The solicitor stopped and asked the man why he was eating grass, he replied ''Because I am very poor and have no money for food''. The Solicitor said, ''You poor man, get in my car and I will take you to my home'', the man said, ''But my wife and six children are over there'', the Solictor said, ''Tell them to get in the car as well''. The Solicitor drives off and the man says ''You are very kind, why are you helping us'', the Solicitor replied, ''You will love it at my place, the grass is over a foot long''.
  20. 1 point
    How do you keep blonde Essex Girl busy for hours. Write 'please turn over' on both sides of a piece of paper.
  21. 1 point
    GND, Mugabe couldn't make a much worse job of the economy as Gollum and Darling have done.