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  1. 5 points
    I just got back last weekend from two weeks at home in Manchester. The area around the Arena is very familiar to me and i was round and about there a few times during my stay. I spent much of yesterday making sure my family and friends were safe; fortunately, they were. As Zulu' said, Manchester is a strong city; it is also a very diverse city and i am always heartened when I hear a broad Manc' accent spoken by someone who looks Asian, Chinese, African or from some other part of the globe - somehow, it seems to show the city we are - very international with historic ties to many places and a deep history of social justice and innovation - Emmeline Pankhust (a great x 4 relation) - a great emancipator, Tom Kilburn, Tommy Flowers and Alan Turing - the three leading lights in the development of the world's first computers; Messrs Rolls and Royce, A V Roe and many engineers who led the world; not forgetting our sport - Man United and Man City (not forgetting our most heroic foreign player - Bert Trautmann, a German former PoW who played the last 20 minutes of the 1956 Cup Final with a broken neck). That's the city we Mancs are proud to call home. To the families and friends of those killed or injured no words will ever put right their loss and hurt. How unfair that they should suffer because of the warped ideology of a few. For a family to be injured and also lose their Mum, an off-duty Police Officer, and for two Polish sisters to lose their parents seems incomprehensible. May they all Rest In Peace and families eventually be able to remember only the good times with their loved ones. GMP seem to be on top of the situation - arrests have also been made in Libya (the suicide bomber's brother and father). perhaps this atrocity could have been prevented if adequate resources were available - we will probably never know. What was obvious to me was that however slim the resources, on the night as people fled from the scene, men and women from GMP were running towards the unknown to provide whatever aid they could and uphold their oath of office.For that we can be very thankful and for the ambulance and fire crews and the NHS teams who are still working on some of the worst injuries. Manchester aand UK are at their best when backs are against the wall.
  2. 4 points
    I am posting a second message because I did not want to tarnish Elaine's memory with any other remarks. However, I think the time has come for firm action to be taken against the threat-within that exists in many of our big cities. In the short term, all immigration of young men, that is anyone who claims to be from 12 to 35, from Muslim countries must be halted until we can get a grip on the situation. Those on the watch-lists need to be dealt with - if they are not born in UK, they should be removed to their home country immediately - no appeals, no false-flag human rights crap. Remember, this current suicide scrote was born in UK of a Libyan father who himself was an Al Qaeda activist who got UK refugee status on the basis that he opposed Qaddafi; he's now back there working for the police in one of the Islamist stronghold (but even they don't trust him as he has been arrested by them along with his other son). Those born in UK should be removed if they are of foreign parentage. If they are not they must be screened, tagged and subject to tight curfews and restrictions on travel outside their home. At the same time, all mosques must be subject to review - any that have even a hint of extremist views needs to be told that they must remove the extremists or be closed. This isn't an attack on Islam because the perversion of extremism isn't found in the normal interpretation of the Koran nor the teachings of their prophet. This sounds draconian and "not the British way" - well, so be it, It isn't the British way to allow our children to be murdered because of a perverted ideology and idly standby whilst the perpetrators look for more opportunities to harm the country and its people. This situation has been developing for some time; now is the time to stamp down very hard and remove the rot. this can be followed by more efforts to integrate all children into a non-religious education system where rights go along side-by-side with responsibilities and loyalty.
  3. 4 points
    Its a sad indictment of society that NHS staff and paramedics can't be expected to get through their shifts without being assaulted.
  4. 4 points
    I am not a Police officer but have enough experience of policing and as a junior, middle & senior manager in a number of structured organisations, to know that Direct entry to Police above the level of Constable would be very dangerous. There are very few non-Police managers who will have the breadth of experience that will enable them to take both a strategic and tactical view of policing situations and, at the same time, have the tacit knowledge gained from personal experience, that is essential when making decisions within split-seconds and under pressure. I have a pretty open mind (RM please note ) when it comes to developing people and moving them up in organisations depending on their skills and capabilities. However, a Policing environment is different - the "stakeholders" (sorry about that word) in a policing situation are not just Police Officers but the vast array of the public as individuals or organisations with varying levels of interest. To be able to deal with such interests, a Police Supervisor needs experience in dealing with people often in traumatic / pressured situations. That doesn't often happen in office environments nor even in the retail trade. What might be appropriate is for some senior level Police jobs that do not require warranted powers to be done by non-Police officers but the essence of the British Police Officer on-the-streets is that he/she is experienced, can exercise split-second judgement, can be compassionate and well-versed in the rights and wrongs of the Law and what actions they must take or can exercise with discretion. There might be small numbers of former Armed Forces SNCOs and officers who might be able to bring the necessary tactical / strategic skills & experience but run-of-the-mill civilian managers - sorry, not on!
  5. 4 points
    Mark, I'm sure things vary from force to force but personally I am knackered. Every shift I am playing catch up. Last set of lates I had to stay on until 5am on one of them and 3 on the others just to catch up with my admin(and I don't get overtime). Every current missing person is supposed to be reviewed and taskings added. I am usually covering absences so have a responsibility covering a square mileage you wouldn't believe and I daren't write because the public will read it. Every new missing person has to be risk assessed and if it's high I co-ordinate as SIO. On nights I cover PACE as well, I do all the authorisations for vehicle seizures, over time and SIG markers. I am providing advice to often upward of 6 sergeants. Anything that requires safeguarding I review and ratify in writing what we have and haven't done and in between I deal with my complaints workload. I also have assessments for temporary Sergeants under my supervision to do for their promotion diplomas. While juggling all that I attend anything that sounds griefy, violent, complicated or messy. I review the deaths and decide if it's sus or not and carry the can for anything that goes wrong. I make sure I am seen about in all the nicks so people can doorstep me and am constantly putting out "fires". I am just touching on the tip of the iceberg of what I do and what my responsibilities are. -Every shift I am in 30 minutes to an hour early and off frequently long after all the PC's and my sergeants have gone home. On RD's I am checking emails appealing annual leave refusals and negotiating attachments for courses- If I didn't my inbox would fill up too fast I also stand in the CI/Supts office and pin my ears back and take the heat when a PC or skipper makes a mistake-Where I can I absorb that heat and if they don't need to know my teams don't hear about it. One of the new Inspectors on my rotation regularly went to the gents to throw up because his anxiety levels got so high with the responsibility he was carrying.... When I was a PC I had no idea what the Inspector did and very cushy it looked too. Don't get me wrong I enjoy my role but I/we work hard too. If my team spoke about me the way you've talked about your Insp I would be mortified.... HMS
  6. 4 points
    And I put minds at rest, Chief Cheetah has been a long standing member of the forum communities across the board. Generally participation before the change in forum ownership before this one! It is nice to see that he is part of the new Admin team!
  7. 3 points
    Where have all the old contributors gone to. When the site changed in January I found great difficulty in accessing the forum. I had registered originally with an email address I no longer used because it had been hacked. I could not change my password or anything. It was fortunate that I was able to contact the administrator and Moderators and they managed to sort out my new (Well old secure) email address and for me to set a new password. But where on earth are Quokka, Westie, Itoldyouonce, Cheese, Reasonable Man, GManc,Spider, etc,etc. I have joined one of the sister sites but it appears to be mainly Specials and PCSO's who know everything about everything, whilst, at the same time, knowing nothing. Experience is scorned as a dirty word. There do have to be different opinions, otherwise you would have a sterile environment with every poster saying "Yes I agree" agree, agree. I do hope that the old posters on here have not disappeared for good. Come back we need you. This edit was made after someone clicked "Like" The sister also seems to be very much Met orientated and they seem to work off different rules and even laws than the rest not us Plebs. And before someone replies, I am not anti Met, but there is life north of Watford Gap.
  8. 3 points
    Likewise O.C. As far as I am concerned there should be a zero tolerance regarding any form of violence in our hospitals. Like you I visited and encouraged visits by my officers. Nothing like a cuppa and personally knowing the staff.
  9. 3 points
    I always made a point of visiting A&E Departments when on patrol and as a sgt & inspector I frequently instructed my PCs to do likewise. Quite often, if trouble occurred there were already police officers in the A&E Departments already dealing with RTCs, assaults etc. that had occurred outwith the hospital and they would always intervene if necessary to deal with any disturbances occurring within A&E. Eventually, my old force paid officers overtime to police A&E Departments on Friday and Saturday nights but in the present financial situation I understand this no longer happens. I always thought it was a disgrace that people (usually patients) would act in an abusive manner towards medical staff but when alcohol enters the equation (and it usually does on these occasions) then all logical thought evaporates.
  10. 3 points
    I am not biased against direct entry because I have no right to be. However, as a fairly experienced senior manager across a number of public service-type organisations and 27 years as a Special, I have a view that the complexities and challenges of Policing are such that it would be dangerous to put relatively inexperienced individuals into command positions in potentially difficult situations. I know I need not tell you that the consequences of mistakes in such situations are significant - not just for the individual making the mistake but also others involved in the situation. I do not think that the marginal benefit that some might see from direct entry is worth the trauma and cost that would ensue from an inexperienced direct-entry Inspector making a cock-up simply because they did not have the depth of experience they would have gained if they had joined as a PC and progressed to Inspector through time as a PS.
  11. 3 points
    Just what I wanted to hear. My concerns have been answered, I was going to offer my help to ease the IT issues previously but looks like you have got it covered. Cheers Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  12. 3 points
    The hearing was held in public and some disturbing facts emerged. The Chief Constable was at the event, as a guest, for some event promoting women. he was concerned about the drunken state of his ACC and asked a then female Chief Inspector to see her to her hotel as he was concerned. The ACC then went into a drunken tirade accusing the other of having had breast surgery, and the rest followed on. They were going to deal with it as an internal advice job but then after discussions decided to start discipline proceedings. I think that the whole circumstances showed that the ACC was unfit for her role and I am astounded that the discipline panel recommended that she should not lose her job. It was also a surprise that one of the panel members was Sir Tom Winsor, how and why I do not know. The woman Chief Inspector later transferred to Cumbria on promotion to Superintendent. I wonder if this was an arrangement to pacify her and smooth things over. As the Chief was a guest at the event his overnight accommodation and everything else was a "freebie". I would like to know who paid for this Women's event and question the decision of the Chief Constable to accept a "Freebie". I am afraid that anything else, other than dismissal, would be unacceptable.
  13. 3 points
    I think the problem is in the large print:- He tried to cover it up!!!! Blatant dishonesty, not what we or the service really want! If he'd put his hands up and admitted the mistake, the worst he could have faced was a bill for correcting the error.
  14. 3 points
    You're right, I apologise for being undemocratic about the whole thing. Rule britannia, vive le farage.
  15. 3 points
    I feel that most of those who leave don't 'hate' the EU. A lot of the problems come from the total inflexability of the administration and all their rules. The unfair way that some members were admitted into the fold when they did not meet the financial requirements regarding nation debt (Greece, Bulgaria and Romania come immediately to mind). Irrespective what is stated about the President, he/she is supposed to be neutral but they don't give the impression that they are. A periodic election wouldn't work either so I don't know what the answer is. Then there is the problem often mentioned and that is the admission of anyone entitled to travel between countries and that is as far as Britain is concerned, we are actually quite full! We have the 3rd or 4th largest population but are one of the smallest land masses. One solution to sort out the workers from the skivers would be to pay benefits at the same level as their parent countries, then we could see how many with a poor expectation of a real meaningfull full time and permanent jobs actually stay. (I didn't say highly qualified, I meant only those who will not be a burdon)
  16. 3 points
    Ah the link leads to the Huffington Post. A most esteemed journal which can be counted in line with the top publications in this country such as The Sun, The Mirror and the Daily Mail - only slightly more downmarket! I understand most of the journalists there where pupils at the Hans Christian Anderson school of fairy tales The newsworthy(?) articles that appear there are about as trustworthy as a rattlesnake with tooth ache! Whats more it is American based and what we do or don't do in this country has bugger all to do with them. Especially with old Trump in charge. As for what we are/are not going to do, to deal with Brexit (I hate that word) is, I will admit something of a mystery. However I am quite sure that there will be things going on in the shadows that we do not know about and will not know or realise, until further down the line. Giving all the information away by telling the Labour Party/SDLP/Greens our intentions, will be tantamount to sending an E mail to all those who oppose our move. By that I don't mean the good people in this country, but the governments of the other 27 countries forming the EU. (and possibly Russia) A good general does not give anything away until he has to do so before a battle and that is the way I think this is being played. And quite rightly so.
  17. 3 points
    Just put the Justice Minister into a Prison and say, "Live in this environment for 24 hours". Shewould soon change her tune. The PC, bleeding heart liberal do Gooders have a lot to answer for in the prison system. No respect, no disciple, no security and gross under manning. Anybody recognise these symptoms.
  18. 2 points
  19. 2 points
    When I joined, over 50 years ago, the height limit for most police forces in the UK was around 5'10'' with 2 or 3 requiring candidates to be 6'0''. It was necessary in those days for police officers to be large persons as we lacked the excellent equipment which today's officers are issued with to defend themselves or summon assistance quickly and frequently had to depend on our physical prowess to carry out certain aspects of policing. However, things have moved on and given the kit which today's officers are issued, physical prowess and appearance are not as necessary as they were at one time. I see many officers on the streets today who are les than your 5'8''. Good luck.'
  20. 2 points
    Some forces offer direct entry to become a DC but most current PCs are very cynical about that route. Most forces still expect new recruits to work on a response shift, neighbourhood or local investigation unit for at least two years whilst they build experience before applying to be a DC, but some forces such as the Met are struggling to fill DC roles so their attitude is different. Recruitment takes as long as it takes and can vary tremendously. My experience was good with the whole process from attending a recruitment night to being attested taking 12 months but I trained with people who had taken 2 years for the same process. Tightened budgets have also contributed to a start/stop long winded process nowadays. There were loads of steps for my recruitment from attending an open evening, taking a simple test, passing the paper sift (application form), medical, eyesight test, fitness test, assessment centre, vetting, and a final interview. You only get paid as a PC once you start work and also watch out for some forces which pay probationers different rates depending on whether they have previous police experience or not, although everyone moves to the same pay point after 6 months. An assessment centre course would be a good idea as the police assessment centre is nothing like any other assessment centre I have had experience of. Direct entry to Inspector is another very diversive topic just like direct entry DCs and again it is not popular among the rank and file.
  21. 2 points
    No matter what the truth of this issue, or whether it will prove good or bad, I have no doubt that money is at the root of the matter. Due to the fincncial situation in which our nation finds itself, cuts in the amounts of cash given to all parts of the public sector have to be made and it appears that the Poilce Service is not to be excluded from these strictures. While sympathising with HMG in its financial predicament I cannot but think that cutting the finances of the Police Service will, in the long term, be a false economy as policing will gradually become increasingly erodied and lawlessness will gradually increase with the inevitable costs. As I have said before, HMG should give priority to its principal functions of protecting the country and its inhabitants and exclude polcing from the worst parts of cuts on the public sector.
  22. 2 points
    It has to be said since the forums have been taken over by Raw media the popularity of all the linked forums has increased drastically, ps.com under the previous regime was getting between 6-10 members daily, now whenever i log into ps.com i see between 60-100 members online which is fantastic. The same goes for UKPO and this forum, the activity has increased drastically since Raw took over. The team at Raw are clearly experienced individuals and know what they are doing. One of the problems with the previous regime was the very strict moderation style they had akin to the leadership style of Kim Jong Un,thankfully the Raw team are much more relaxed which of course has resulted in more popular and stable forums. Just my 2 cents worth......
  23. 2 points
    We are alright now CC says we are covered: In a statement today, Mr Bangham, of the NPCC, said police officers responding to emergencies are covered by legal guidance that shows it is not in the public interest to prosecute them.READ MORE "There are clear exemptions in law for officers in these situations. Together with our colleagues in the fire and ambulance services we are deeply proud to be a service that reacts first to protect the public from danger. “Current guidance from the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Crown Prosecution Service already recognises that it is unlikely to be in the public interest to prosecute officers for driving offences while they are responding to emergency calls. "There have been very few incidents in which an officer responding to emergency has been prosecuted or had misconduct charges brought against them." Not for these people……..so why did the guidance not cover them & how can we trust what you say Mr Bangham? PC James Holden was charged PC Vaughan Lowe was charged Adam Steventon was charged PC Lee Drake was found guilty
  24. 2 points
    So far as I can see, no matter what decision was taken by the police in relation to this incident, there was a strong potential liklihood that some form of disaster would happen and the police would be held culpable . If the police had not opened the Leppings Lane gate, to admit those supporters who arrived late, the said supporters would almost certainly have gone of the rampage and caused mayhem of a significant kind which would have attracted the opprobrium of the public etc. towards the police for NOT opening the gates and admitting the late arrivals. I remember an almost identical situation n Glasgow many years ago when it was decided not to open the gates and mounted officers had to be deployed to deal with the irate supporters who declined to disperse. Criticism fell upon the police for their actions in doing exactly the opposite of what happened at Hillsborough. It seems that sometimes you just can't win.
  25. 2 points
    Not at all surprised. As we all know, the Liverpool supporters were not in any way responsible for the events that happened that day. There was no drunkeness nor rowdy behaviour and the responsibility must fall on one man - the Police Officer in command. Someone has to be hung out to dry to appease the families and justify more than UKP 90 millions being spent on investigations. It seems Mr Dukinfield was acquitted after a private prosecution some years ago. If he is acquitted of these new charges, will the CPS (in the tradition of that paragon of justice Tony Bliar) just re-frame the charges until some jury or other finds him guilty to satisfy the baying masses of Liverpudlians!
  26. 2 points
    Totally agree, and if things continue to deteriorate I would hope that HMG give some consideration to internment where appropriate.
  27. 2 points
    The murdered officer has been named as DC Elaine McIver, a Cheshire officer. Her husband has been critically injured and their two children also injured - although it seems not critically. There are really no words that can adequately express the sorrow and despair that will be felt by so many at this loss and the family's situation. May Elaine's soul Rest In Peace and let us hope that her husband and children recover. My sympathy to all their family, their friends and Elaine's colleagues.
  28. 2 points
    You are completely wrong. I am not in the least against those who genuinely suffer from fuel poverty and have difficulty paying heating bills receiving Winter Fuel Allowance. What I do oppose is the payment of this allowance to those perfectly able to pay it without recourse to the benefit system and I would suggest that a significant number of recipients of this allowance are (like me) well able to pay their own way. So the many you refer to who are ``not alright through no fault of their own'' would continue to receive the allowance and the Benefits System would actually be able to pay them an increase in the amount of allowance they receive due to those who do not need it having the allowance withdrawn. What can possibly be wrong with that? Unfortunately, our Benefits System has become a gravy train which a significant number of the population feel it is OK to dip into (if they get the opportunity) even when they have no genuine need of the assistance. It is a `fill your boots' mentality. Politicians of all hues have contributed to this situation by giving bribes to the electorate which are politically difficult to withdraw when they become unsustainable or when it is recognised that they may be inappropriate in certain cases.
  29. 2 points
    It must be good news week. This morning I awoke to, the great news that Ian Brady is dead. My father worked on the original enquiries and was amazed at some of the rubbish written about Brady and Hindley. As far as he was concerned they were the most evil people he ever met. Neither showed any remorse for their actions. May they both now rot in Hell.
  30. 2 points
    To a great extent I think you are correct but at the end of the day it has to be said that UKIP has been a success story in that they were at the forefront of propelling the UK towards taking the necessary action leading to us leaving the EU. I voted for UKIP and if the same circumstances prevailed i would do so again. It served its purpose and I am grateful for those who created it and worked for its principal end purpose. I shall not do as I have always done and vote for whichever political party I feel is most likely to be best for the UK and at the moment I have no doubt that party is the Conservative Party. I think UKIP will only reassert itself if the electorate feel HMG is beginning to drag its feet over our exit from the EU but suspect and hope that is unlikely to happen.
  31. 2 points
    Things continue to get worse. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I hear these stories. Still, one of my ancestors told the that my old force used to hire horses from a local undertaker many decades ago when they required a mounted detachment for events but they eventually decided to purchase horses for the mounted branch. Perhaps things will go the full circle and police forces will one day by their own cars.
  32. 2 points
    I would argue the increase is more in line of folk being more risk averse. With the IPCC forever eager to get involved it's a case of bottom covering.
  33. 2 points
    Totally agree with regard to references. Few people provide the name of someone as a referee without having first consulted them and ascertained that they will provide comments of a favourable nature. I have only heard of one instance of a referee failing to support the candidate. In my old force we always did unannounced home visits on candidates but I am informed this is no longer the case. There is little doubt in my mind that this aspect of enquiring into the background of candidates had deteriorated.
  34. 2 points
    It is nothing less than a huge farce and what does it say about the hierarchy of the GMP. They look after their own why they will happily crucify junior officers for, compared to ACC Sutcliffe's offence, are minor issues.
  35. 2 points
    The truth of the matter is that Policescotland is totally and utterly broke. Since its creation various methods have been used in an attempt to make economies, including the controversial reduction of police support staff which means that many officers who should be on operational duties now have to undertake those functions latterly perfromed by the support staff who are no longer there. It has been obvious for some time that the only way to successfully achieve the cash savings required is to reduce the numbers of sworn officers abd that it what is being done. I know of nobody who truly believes anything other than that. The statements issuing from the current Chief Constable and others in authority concerned with Police Scotland amount to nothing more than smoke and mirrors in attempt to placate the public. Why can't they just say `Look, we are broke. We will have to reduce the saize of our establishment if we are to get anywhere near the savings necessary and the public weill just have to accept the reduced service they will receive.''
  36. 2 points
    Is it something you should deal with, is it something you could deal with? Personally if someone offered me drugs but I didn't see them I would submit Intel when next on duty. If someone showed me a load of drugs the I would phone it in and try to get on duty officers there to deal (no pun intended). Step in and try to capture dealer may result in a couple of his minders bundling you into the toilet as he makes his escape and you are left feeling silly and bruised. My intervention while off duty went back to line one of the responsibilities - the protection of life and (sometimes) property. Sent from me using Witchcraft
  37. 2 points
    I am an MOP with a bit of (now rapidly ageing) Police perspective. So, here's my view: A warranted officer is a warranted officer - all the same, irrespective of rank, when the sh#t hits the fan, I expect them all to do the same thing - take action! I once patrolled with the then Chief Superintendent George Rushbrook, on a Sunday morning along the Bayswater Road. George Rushbrook retired as a Commander and was rated in a book, "The Signs of Crime", as one of the most practical detectives in the Met. He was also a really nice bloke. During that Sunday patrol, one of the many things he said was " it doesn't matter who you are in The Job, what matters is what you do". I think that about sums up how I see policing - rank really isn't the issue but what an individual actually achieves is what is important. So Response / CID / Specialist Squads are not so important (particularly to the end-user - Joe & Josephine Public); they would like to see more blue suits with shiny buttons and pointed hats on the streets (with body armour but probably without lime-green or similar hued jackets etc). That's really what policing is about - and has been since 1829 when "the first objective to be obtained is the prevention of crime"! For what it's worth, this is just a view from a man who once rode on The Clapham Omnibus
  38. 2 points
    @Ygnharad The two founders of Police.Community created a new company along with myself and we called it RAW Digital Media. This was to enable us to acquire the three forums PoliceSpecials.com, UKPoliceonline.co.uk and PoliceUK.com. Basically it's the same two original people with the addition of a third person, me. We all are or have been serving officers in UK police forces all in different capacities and of different ranks. Between us we have decades of experience in IT and of running online forums.
  39. 2 points
    The government seems to use an increase in penalties as a cheap way of dealing with the core problem as opposed to putting money into enforcement in the first place. I have got two problems with the idea. First, hardly anyone currently gets more than 5 years for dangerous driving under the current sentencing guidelines so the proposal is only going to affect a minuscule number of offenders, so the headlines it grabs are completely out of proportion to the number of people it will affect. I think that a more effective strategy would be to look at current sentencing guidelines and see if these can be changed to allow longer prison sentences within the current 14 year max, then wait and see what the more serious incidents merit. The Tories have however increased penalties for hand held mobile phone use but without increasing resources for enforcement, which is a cheap way of looking tough without actually spending any money. The sum total will be a decreasing number of people being hit with higher penalties without acting as a deterrent to the majority who seem to think its OK to use phones in the car. They have also moved away from education (mobile phone awareness classes for offenders) to increased penalties. There seems to be evidence that the number of RTCs and deaths and injuries on the roads is creeping up which seems to have coincided with the decimation of RPU units and the reduction in time for response to deal with driving offences. The governments solution is to increase penalties, but the presence of police on the road acts as a deterrent to bad practice which seems to be ignored by HMG.
  40. 2 points
    There was an article and a letter from a serving Sergeant in tonight's Manchester evening News giving the opinion of the rank and file, slating the decision of the panel. It pointed out that if this have been a junior officer he/she would have been gone a long time ago. You know, it still happens that an officer is given Hobson's choice, resign now or face a Disciplinary hearing. He writes that she was spoked to have had great support regarding her ability, and she stated how much pressure she was under. He questioned who were these people supporting her with character references as he and his colleagues knew of no one who held that I opinion. Senior Officers throughout the Force were also enraged by the one's decision. And, what pressure; pressure was at 3am in the morning faced with a dangerous situation and knowing that there was little, if any support. Pressure was an AFO with a weapon in his hand with a fraction of a second, do I shoot or do I not. Will the Senior Management hang me out to dry. A shift supervisor trying to stretch his resources so thinly because, Senior management will not listen or oblivious to the situation. He does not speak out of line, as many times I had heated discussions with officers more senior to me about these shortages. Of asking them to set down a minimum staffing level, a question that they would never answer, if they ever even considered it. Senior management relies very much on respect, and ACC Sutcliffe can now never receive that. Perhaps if she really looked deeplyinto her bbehaviour she would have done the decent thing and resigned.
  41. 2 points
    In respect of the two senior officers- Quite frankly that behaviour tells me they aren't fit to be in the Police. They are a disgrace. The idea that nasty bullying reptiles like that are getting drunk while schmoozing their way to the next rank when they are already both clearly over promoted. People who threaten other people's career prospects and humiliate them in front of others over body envy are on the bottom line, nasty sh1++y people. Apparently this isn't an isolated alcohol related incident either. The money saved in pension payments by getting shot of them would make it economical-We have plenty of people who could step into those shoes I'm sure- They didn't look particularly well filled anyway. People like this disgust me.
  42. 2 points
    I think Zulu's point is important - if a General election is triggered by thee Brexit issue, it could well focus so much attention on Brexit that it becomes the one issue and in the noise of the event, people will see it as solely a one-issue election. I suspect that many who voted "Leave" would follow the party that supports that action because they feel that once expressed, it is the stance they should continue! But I may be wrong!
  43. 2 points
    I would also add that while the EU might insure us against war between Europeans, it would be entirely likely to pitch us against Russia. I would also add that the somewhat shadily spoken about Euro-Armed Forces which was only supposed to be widely publicised after we had voted to remain in the EU, is being groomed as a purchaser of modern conventional and nuclear deterrents. Much as Mrs Clinton was steering us into a cold war to the same end. All of that money to be ploughed into nukes... Unfortunately Clinton lost and Brexit was voted for... It is ironic that the liberal elite have deceived many voters into believing that a vote for a nuclear arms race was actually a vote against racism/misogyny etc etc... Personally I am hugely glad article 50 will be invoked, and I am also hugely glad that Neanderthal was elected President of the USA. We seem to have gone from being very upset that Russia was bombing the Hell out of ISIS and entering into a cold war with them to Putin relaxing and Trump shrugging his shoulders about the enemy we were all pretending to be fighting for the last few years being obliterated(in a matter of months). There are those out there who have told me my opinions make me a racist misogynistic Nazi (Yawn)... But I am just glad that WW3 looks much less likely and whatever "remainers" want to say about the cost of Brexit- It will be much cheaper than a cold war. Despite being labelled and trashed as a racist I will say this-We have had years of welcoming Sikhs, Muslims and Hindis and have one of the most varied multi cultures in the world here in the UK. We didn't need the EU to make us welcome those people. Personally I have a particular soft spot for Sikhs whose values encapsulate honour and decency within a warrior culture and bravely served alongside indigenous British in many of our conflicts. I have also actively campaigned to allow Gurkhas citizenship and equal pension rights should they choose to retire to the U.K. So despite being right wing Nazi scum who voted to leave, and had I been a U.S. citizen would have voted Trump, I feel we voted the right way. Tarring us and name calling is just filthy political manoeuvring.
  44. 2 points
    Yes... Whereas before there was no case at all and we should just let it drop.... But now there is! ...But if we win then things will be worse than they are now...... Perhaps the Fed should tell those Judges- They are probably blissfully unaware of the pitfall they are about to walk into and need expert legal advice... Ok. I'm going to stop being sarcastic now... This has always been morally and legally wrong. People entered into pension agreements-Individually paid hundreds of thousands of pounds into them, then had the rules changed retrospectively. In order to do that the law was changed- Generally when that happens it doesn't act retrospectively in any case. Aside from that people were discriminated against. Reform is reform not retroform. I am tired of being fed manure and being told it's apple pie. Enough people spit it out and eventually someone owns up to it being manure but tells us we should feel fortunate enough to eat it. Well not me - I call BU775#1T.
  45. 2 points
    Soapyw - you need to adjust, sorry I mean shush, in relation to making any anti-Brexit comments. Get on board. Help make it work. What you should you do is just accept that you (we) lost the vote and that 17.5 million people said we should leave the EU. So anything that was said before the vote should just be ignored because, well, it's irrelevant now. They weren't promises, they were ideas. Probably. Let's put it this way, nobody can be charged to court for lying to the electorate, or anything, so we should all just shush. Shush. Pointing out problems with whateverthehell is going on, is anti-democratic, apparently. You're just showing yourself up as being a poor loser and (possibly) a dreamer. You are not a realist. Wanting UK law to actually mean something in Parliament is also, ridiculous. You silly sausage. Also. Stop mentioning £350 million. It wasn't a given, despite being stuck on a double-decker bus. Stuff put on double-decker buses is just colouring. They have to be some colour, so what happened there was a complete accident of colour. Or some words to make some people vote a certain way. Or an advert - although, had it been an advert, it wouldn't have been able to be an actual lie. I bet people thinking that amount of money was actually going to be spent on the NHS, feel right mugs now everybody has disowned that number and said it wasn't a promise. So. In essence, you should just go with "everything is awesome" (like in the Lego movie). And just like Lego, you can pretend anything is what you want to be, and then break it apart when it doesn't suit you any more. It's hilarious to the point of farce. According to the front page of Private Eye this week, Vote Leave had a bus that had "We send the EU £50 million a day let's fund our NHS instead". I'm sure there should have been some punctuation, in the form of a comma, in there, but nevermind. "We send the EU £50 million a day"- I'm going to guess by BACS transfer, or some other electronic means. "Let's fund our NHS instead". Let us fund our NHS instead. Seems simple enough. But, Soapyw, let's forget it. Like it never happened. What that was, my friend, was snakeoil. It wasn't a promise, or an advert. It was just some words. We should all just shush. OR at the very least, get some mileage out of the amusing machinations of whateverthehell is going on right now. :D :D :D
  46. 2 points
    During the campaign I used to get irritated at how the Brexiteers used this figure when it never cost us that much. Now it's no longer a debating issue I, too, find it hilarious that anyone thinks we will ever see any of that money in real terms. Sure we won't have to write that cheque but financial cost of everything else will swallow that up, and then some.
  47. 2 points
    I have just been watching a programme in television about Thomas Cromwell - otherwise known as Henry the VIII's 'fixer' when the Church of England was separated from the Church of Rome. He was the Author of the 1529 Act of Reformation that quickly started off the move to separate the 'Empire of England and Wales' from the Vatican. Note there was no mention of Scotland. Enemies 'disappeared'. Divorces were enabled and England was free from the apron strings of Rome. Just look how we prospered after that! This old Act of Parliament could almost be a blueprint for Britain leaving the EU some 600 years later, there are quite a few similarities. Corruption in the Church of Rome (AKA Brussels) and Inability to enforce some laws due to being overruled by the Pope. So instead of the Pope, substitute Brussels. Obviously things are changed now in the way we do things - more negotiation rather than decapitation! As for enemies who we would like to 'disappear', fragrant Nicola, the would be Queen of Scotland comes to mind, Think of the 'Remainers' who would like to stay subservient to Brussels, as being those who wanted to stay true Catholics and the Brexiteers taking the place of those who wanted to divorce themselves from the Church of Rome! I wonder will they be able to persuade WImpey House builders to incorporate 'Priest Holes' where remainers could hide . Whilst this will in real life have no bearing on what is happening now it shows that sometimes, just sometimes History may almost repeat itself or at least have a parallel.
  48. 2 points
    Officer safety, I cannot see that it is wrong, much better than taking them down and totally imobilising them or even using CS both of which are very definitely legal.
  49. 2 points
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37938056 The BBC headline reads "'Cruel' spit hoods used by a third of UK police forces" Apparently in the last 5 years, they've been used nearly 2,500 times. I wonder how many of those 2,500 have been charged with assault police? Now. Why doesn't the headline read "Suspects spit at police officers causing stress, anxiety for the officers and costs for the NHS and forces" As I've offered before - I'll stand in a room and all those who think the use of a spit hood is cruel can come and try and 'arrest' me. They can use the same force and powers that I have access to, and I'll do what a typical spitting suspect does. Let's see who wins the "who has the most phelgm on their face" competition after 10 minutes shall we?
  50. 2 points
    I didn't watch it but saw it was on. There was an announcement today that the Prison service are loosing more staff than they are able to recruit. The shortfall now stands at 1900 personel. Even if I was of working age, that is the last job I would contemplate.