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  1. 5 points
    I just got back last weekend from two weeks at home in Manchester. The area around the Arena is very familiar to me and i was round and about there a few times during my stay. I spent much of yesterday making sure my family and friends were safe; fortunately, they were. As Zulu' said, Manchester is a strong city; it is also a very diverse city and i am always heartened when I hear a broad Manc' accent spoken by someone who looks Asian, Chinese, African or from some other part of the globe - somehow, it seems to show the city we are - very international with historic ties to many places and a deep history of social justice and innovation - Emmeline Pankhust (a great x 4 relation) - a great emancipator, Tom Kilburn, Tommy Flowers and Alan Turing - the three leading lights in the development of the world's first computers; Messrs Rolls and Royce, A V Roe and many engineers who led the world; not forgetting our sport - Man United and Man City (not forgetting our most heroic foreign player - Bert Trautmann, a German former PoW who played the last 20 minutes of the 1956 Cup Final with a broken neck). That's the city we Mancs are proud to call home. To the families and friends of those killed or injured no words will ever put right their loss and hurt. How unfair that they should suffer because of the warped ideology of a few. For a family to be injured and also lose their Mum, an off-duty Police Officer, and for two Polish sisters to lose their parents seems incomprehensible. May they all Rest In Peace and families eventually be able to remember only the good times with their loved ones. GMP seem to be on top of the situation - arrests have also been made in Libya (the suicide bomber's brother and father). perhaps this atrocity could have been prevented if adequate resources were available - we will probably never know. What was obvious to me was that however slim the resources, on the night as people fled from the scene, men and women from GMP were running towards the unknown to provide whatever aid they could and uphold their oath of office.For that we can be very thankful and for the ambulance and fire crews and the NHS teams who are still working on some of the worst injuries. Manchester aand UK are at their best when backs are against the wall.
  2. 4 points
    I am posting a second message because I did not want to tarnish Elaine's memory with any other remarks. However, I think the time has come for firm action to be taken against the threat-within that exists in many of our big cities. In the short term, all immigration of young men, that is anyone who claims to be from 12 to 35, from Muslim countries must be halted until we can get a grip on the situation. Those on the watch-lists need to be dealt with - if they are not born in UK, they should be removed to their home country immediately - no appeals, no false-flag human rights crap. Remember, this current suicide scrote was born in UK of a Libyan father who himself was an Al Qaeda activist who got UK refugee status on the basis that he opposed Qaddafi; he's now back there working for the police in one of the Islamist stronghold (but even they don't trust him as he has been arrested by them along with his other son). Those born in UK should be removed if they are of foreign parentage. If they are not they must be screened, tagged and subject to tight curfews and restrictions on travel outside their home. At the same time, all mosques must be subject to review - any that have even a hint of extremist views needs to be told that they must remove the extremists or be closed. This isn't an attack on Islam because the perversion of extremism isn't found in the normal interpretation of the Koran nor the teachings of their prophet. This sounds draconian and "not the British way" - well, so be it, It isn't the British way to allow our children to be murdered because of a perverted ideology and idly standby whilst the perpetrators look for more opportunities to harm the country and its people. This situation has been developing for some time; now is the time to stamp down very hard and remove the rot. this can be followed by more efforts to integrate all children into a non-religious education system where rights go along side-by-side with responsibilities and loyalty.
  3. 4 points
    Its a sad indictment of society that NHS staff and paramedics can't be expected to get through their shifts without being assaulted.
  4. 4 points
    I am not a Police officer but have enough experience of policing and as a junior, middle & senior manager in a number of structured organisations, to know that Direct entry to Police above the level of Constable would be very dangerous. There are very few non-Police managers who will have the breadth of experience that will enable them to take both a strategic and tactical view of policing situations and, at the same time, have the tacit knowledge gained from personal experience, that is essential when making decisions within split-seconds and under pressure. I have a pretty open mind (RM please note ) when it comes to developing people and moving them up in organisations depending on their skills and capabilities. However, a Policing environment is different - the "stakeholders" (sorry about that word) in a policing situation are not just Police Officers but the vast array of the public as individuals or organisations with varying levels of interest. To be able to deal with such interests, a Police Supervisor needs experience in dealing with people often in traumatic / pressured situations. That doesn't often happen in office environments nor even in the retail trade. What might be appropriate is for some senior level Police jobs that do not require warranted powers to be done by non-Police officers but the essence of the British Police Officer on-the-streets is that he/she is experienced, can exercise split-second judgement, can be compassionate and well-versed in the rights and wrongs of the Law and what actions they must take or can exercise with discretion. There might be small numbers of former Armed Forces SNCOs and officers who might be able to bring the necessary tactical / strategic skills & experience but run-of-the-mill civilian managers - sorry, not on!
  5. 4 points
    Mark, I'm sure things vary from force to force but personally I am knackered. Every shift I am playing catch up. Last set of lates I had to stay on until 5am on one of them and 3 on the others just to catch up with my admin(and I don't get overtime). Every current missing person is supposed to be reviewed and taskings added. I am usually covering absences so have a responsibility covering a square mileage you wouldn't believe and I daren't write because the public will read it. Every new missing person has to be risk assessed and if it's high I co-ordinate as SIO. On nights I cover PACE as well, I do all the authorisations for vehicle seizures, over time and SIG markers. I am providing advice to often upward of 6 sergeants. Anything that requires safeguarding I review and ratify in writing what we have and haven't done and in between I deal with my complaints workload. I also have assessments for temporary Sergeants under my supervision to do for their promotion diplomas. While juggling all that I attend anything that sounds griefy, violent, complicated or messy. I review the deaths and decide if it's sus or not and carry the can for anything that goes wrong. I make sure I am seen about in all the nicks so people can doorstep me and am constantly putting out "fires". I am just touching on the tip of the iceberg of what I do and what my responsibilities are. -Every shift I am in 30 minutes to an hour early and off frequently long after all the PC's and my sergeants have gone home. On RD's I am checking emails appealing annual leave refusals and negotiating attachments for courses- If I didn't my inbox would fill up too fast I also stand in the CI/Supts office and pin my ears back and take the heat when a PC or skipper makes a mistake-Where I can I absorb that heat and if they don't need to know my teams don't hear about it. One of the new Inspectors on my rotation regularly went to the gents to throw up because his anxiety levels got so high with the responsibility he was carrying.... When I was a PC I had no idea what the Inspector did and very cushy it looked too. Don't get me wrong I enjoy my role but I/we work hard too. If my team spoke about me the way you've talked about your Insp I would be mortified.... HMS
  6. 4 points
    And I put minds at rest, Chief Cheetah has been a long standing member of the forum communities across the board. Generally participation before the change in forum ownership before this one! It is nice to see that he is part of the new Admin team!
  7. 3 points
    Where have all the old contributors gone to. When the site changed in January I found great difficulty in accessing the forum. I had registered originally with an email address I no longer used because it had been hacked. I could not change my password or anything. It was fortunate that I was able to contact the administrator and Moderators and they managed to sort out my new (Well old secure) email address and for me to set a new password. But where on earth are Quokka, Westie, Itoldyouonce, Cheese, Reasonable Man, GManc,Spider, etc,etc. I have joined one of the sister sites but it appears to be mainly Specials and PCSO's who know everything about everything, whilst, at the same time, knowing nothing. Experience is scorned as a dirty word. There do have to be different opinions, otherwise you would have a sterile environment with every poster saying "Yes I agree" agree, agree. I do hope that the old posters on here have not disappeared for good. Come back we need you. This edit was made after someone clicked "Like" The sister also seems to be very much Met orientated and they seem to work off different rules and even laws than the rest not us Plebs. And before someone replies, I am not anti Met, but there is life north of Watford Gap.
  8. 3 points
    Likewise O.C. As far as I am concerned there should be a zero tolerance regarding any form of violence in our hospitals. Like you I visited and encouraged visits by my officers. Nothing like a cuppa and personally knowing the staff.
  9. 3 points
    I always made a point of visiting A&E Departments when on patrol and as a sgt & inspector I frequently instructed my PCs to do likewise. Quite often, if trouble occurred there were already police officers in the A&E Departments already dealing with RTCs, assaults etc. that had occurred outwith the hospital and they would always intervene if necessary to deal with any disturbances occurring within A&E. Eventually, my old force paid officers overtime to police A&E Departments on Friday and Saturday nights but in the present financial situation I understand this no longer happens. I always thought it was a disgrace that people (usually patients) would act in an abusive manner towards medical staff but when alcohol enters the equation (and it usually does on these occasions) then all logical thought evaporates.
  10. 3 points
    I am not biased against direct entry because I have no right to be. However, as a fairly experienced senior manager across a number of public service-type organisations and 27 years as a Special, I have a view that the complexities and challenges of Policing are such that it would be dangerous to put relatively inexperienced individuals into command positions in potentially difficult situations. I know I need not tell you that the consequences of mistakes in such situations are significant - not just for the individual making the mistake but also others involved in the situation. I do not think that the marginal benefit that some might see from direct entry is worth the trauma and cost that would ensue from an inexperienced direct-entry Inspector making a cock-up simply because they did not have the depth of experience they would have gained if they had joined as a PC and progressed to Inspector through time as a PS.
  11. 3 points
    Just what I wanted to hear. My concerns have been answered, I was going to offer my help to ease the IT issues previously but looks like you have got it covered. Cheers Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  12. 3 points
    The hearing was held in public and some disturbing facts emerged. The Chief Constable was at the event, as a guest, for some event promoting women. he was concerned about the drunken state of his ACC and asked a then female Chief Inspector to see her to her hotel as he was concerned. The ACC then went into a drunken tirade accusing the other of having had breast surgery, and the rest followed on. They were going to deal with it as an internal advice job but then after discussions decided to start discipline proceedings. I think that the whole circumstances showed that the ACC was unfit for her role and I am astounded that the discipline panel recommended that she should not lose her job. It was also a surprise that one of the panel members was Sir Tom Winsor, how and why I do not know. The woman Chief Inspector later transferred to Cumbria on promotion to Superintendent. I wonder if this was an arrangement to pacify her and smooth things over. As the Chief was a guest at the event his overnight accommodation and everything else was a "freebie". I would like to know who paid for this Women's event and question the decision of the Chief Constable to accept a "Freebie". I am afraid that anything else, other than dismissal, would be unacceptable.
  13. 3 points
    I think the problem is in the large print:- He tried to cover it up!!!! Blatant dishonesty, not what we or the service really want! If he'd put his hands up and admitted the mistake, the worst he could have faced was a bill for correcting the error.
  14. 3 points
    You're right, I apologise for being undemocratic about the whole thing. Rule britannia, vive le farage.
  15. 3 points
    I feel that most of those who leave don't 'hate' the EU. A lot of the problems come from the total inflexability of the administration and all their rules. The unfair way that some members were admitted into the fold when they did not meet the financial requirements regarding nation debt (Greece, Bulgaria and Romania come immediately to mind). Irrespective what is stated about the President, he/she is supposed to be neutral but they don't give the impression that they are. A periodic election wouldn't work either so I don't know what the answer is. Then there is the problem often mentioned and that is the admission of anyone entitled to travel between countries and that is as far as Britain is concerned, we are actually quite full! We have the 3rd or 4th largest population but are one of the smallest land masses. One solution to sort out the workers from the skivers would be to pay benefits at the same level as their parent countries, then we could see how many with a poor expectation of a real meaningfull full time and permanent jobs actually stay. (I didn't say highly qualified, I meant only those who will not be a burdon)
  16. 3 points
    Ah the link leads to the Huffington Post. A most esteemed journal which can be counted in line with the top publications in this country such as The Sun, The Mirror and the Daily Mail - only slightly more downmarket! I understand most of the journalists there where pupils at the Hans Christian Anderson school of fairy tales The newsworthy(?) articles that appear there are about as trustworthy as a rattlesnake with tooth ache! Whats more it is American based and what we do or don't do in this country has bugger all to do with them. Especially with old Trump in charge. As for what we are/are not going to do, to deal with Brexit (I hate that word) is, I will admit something of a mystery. However I am quite sure that there will be things going on in the shadows that we do not know about and will not know or realise, until further down the line. Giving all the information away by telling the Labour Party/SDLP/Greens our intentions, will be tantamount to sending an E mail to all those who oppose our move. By that I don't mean the good people in this country, but the governments of the other 27 countries forming the EU. (and possibly Russia) A good general does not give anything away until he has to do so before a battle and that is the way I think this is being played. And quite rightly so.
  17. 3 points
    Just put the Justice Minister into a Prison and say, "Live in this environment for 24 hours". Shewould soon change her tune. The PC, bleeding heart liberal do Gooders have a lot to answer for in the prison system. No respect, no disciple, no security and gross under manning. Anybody recognise these symptoms.
  18. 2 points
    When I joined, over 50 years ago, the height limit for most police forces in the UK was around 5'10'' with 2 or 3 requiring candidates to be 6'0''. It was necessary in those days for police officers to be large persons as we lacked the excellent equipment which today's officers are issued with to defend themselves or summon assistance quickly and frequently had to depend on our physical prowess to carry out certain aspects of policing. However, things have moved on and given the kit which today's officers are issued, physical prowess and appearance are not as necessary as they were at one time. I see many officers on the streets today who are les than your 5'8''. Good luck.'
  19. 2 points
    Just a quick note to thank the mod for PMing this poster for me - nice to see helpful, useful, commonsense moderation under the new management Under a different username I was one of many who left under the old regime due to tyrannical and often non-sensical modding I've returned to test the waters and it seems sanity has been restored. I shall be hanging around and will be encouraging others to return
  20. 2 points
    Isn't it possible to just stop paying into the pension? Or must you remain in the pension scheme? Each to their own, but cops remaining at work when they could be getting their pension has always baffled me. They are effectively working for next to nothing, seeing as they could be receiving a nice pension for not working. Ok, its a reduced income but then you have to consider you aren't paying into your pension anymore, which boosts it back up to something similar to your current wage. The only way I would keep working for the police after qualifying for retirement is by retiring and then returning to work as civilian staff, that way you get your pension and your salary.
  21. 2 points
    So far as I can see, no matter what decision was taken by the police in relation to this incident, there was a strong potential liklihood that some form of disaster would happen and the police would be held culpable . If the police had not opened the Leppings Lane gate, to admit those supporters who arrived late, the said supporters would almost certainly have gone of the rampage and caused mayhem of a significant kind which would have attracted the opprobrium of the public etc. towards the police for NOT opening the gates and admitting the late arrivals. I remember an almost identical situation n Glasgow many years ago when it was decided not to open the gates and mounted officers had to be deployed to deal with the irate supporters who declined to disperse. Criticism fell upon the police for their actions in doing exactly the opposite of what happened at Hillsborough. It seems that sometimes you just can't win.
  22. 2 points
    Totally agree, and if things continue to deteriorate I would hope that HMG give some consideration to internment where appropriate.
  23. 2 points
    Of course, it goes without saying, that my condolences are to the families who lost loved ones in the Manchester Arena attack, RIP all those who lost their lives, and I wish a very speedy recovery to all those injured too. Having said all that, I have just seen Sky news, and it was announced that one of those who was killed was a serving police officer. As a retired police officer now, I would also like to say the same to that officer and their family too. On the report that I saw, it did not say whether it was a male or female officer. It matters not. They were killed carrying out their duty, and whether past or present, it could have been any one of us. As I said, RIP.
  24. 2 points
    The murdered officer has been named as DC Elaine McIver, a Cheshire officer. Her husband has been critically injured and their two children also injured - although it seems not critically. There are really no words that can adequately express the sorrow and despair that will be felt by so many at this loss and the family's situation. May Elaine's soul Rest In Peace and let us hope that her husband and children recover. My sympathy to all their family, their friends and Elaine's colleagues.
  25. 2 points
    You are completely wrong. I am not in the least against those who genuinely suffer from fuel poverty and have difficulty paying heating bills receiving Winter Fuel Allowance. What I do oppose is the payment of this allowance to those perfectly able to pay it without recourse to the benefit system and I would suggest that a significant number of recipients of this allowance are (like me) well able to pay their own way. So the many you refer to who are ``not alright through no fault of their own'' would continue to receive the allowance and the Benefits System would actually be able to pay them an increase in the amount of allowance they receive due to those who do not need it having the allowance withdrawn. What can possibly be wrong with that? Unfortunately, our Benefits System has become a gravy train which a significant number of the population feel it is OK to dip into (if they get the opportunity) even when they have no genuine need of the assistance. It is a `fill your boots' mentality. Politicians of all hues have contributed to this situation by giving bribes to the electorate which are politically difficult to withdraw when they become unsustainable or when it is recognised that they may be inappropriate in certain cases.
  26. 2 points
    These individuals represent everything this country does not need and I do not trust either of them. Quite apart from the economy I remind myself of how they both supported the IRA and continue to refuse to condemn terrorism.
  27. 2 points
    It must be good news week. This morning I awoke to, the great news that Ian Brady is dead. My father worked on the original enquiries and was amazed at some of the rubbish written about Brady and Hindley. As far as he was concerned they were the most evil people he ever met. Neither showed any remorse for their actions. May they both now rot in Hell.
  28. 2 points
    To a great extent I think you are correct but at the end of the day it has to be said that UKIP has been a success story in that they were at the forefront of propelling the UK towards taking the necessary action leading to us leaving the EU. I voted for UKIP and if the same circumstances prevailed i would do so again. It served its purpose and I am grateful for those who created it and worked for its principal end purpose. I shall not do as I have always done and vote for whichever political party I feel is most likely to be best for the UK and at the moment I have no doubt that party is the Conservative Party. I think UKIP will only reassert itself if the electorate feel HMG is beginning to drag its feet over our exit from the EU but suspect and hope that is unlikely to happen.
  29. 2 points
    Things continue to get worse. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I hear these stories. Still, one of my ancestors told the that my old force used to hire horses from a local undertaker many decades ago when they required a mounted detachment for events but they eventually decided to purchase horses for the mounted branch. Perhaps things will go the full circle and police forces will one day by their own cars.
  30. 2 points
    Totally agree with regard to references. Few people provide the name of someone as a referee without having first consulted them and ascertained that they will provide comments of a favourable nature. I have only heard of one instance of a referee failing to support the candidate. In my old force we always did unannounced home visits on candidates but I am informed this is no longer the case. There is little doubt in my mind that this aspect of enquiring into the background of candidates had deteriorated.
  31. 2 points
    The truth of the matter is that Policescotland is totally and utterly broke. Since its creation various methods have been used in an attempt to make economies, including the controversial reduction of police support staff which means that many officers who should be on operational duties now have to undertake those functions latterly perfromed by the support staff who are no longer there. It has been obvious for some time that the only way to successfully achieve the cash savings required is to reduce the numbers of sworn officers abd that it what is being done. I know of nobody who truly believes anything other than that. The statements issuing from the current Chief Constable and others in authority concerned with Police Scotland amount to nothing more than smoke and mirrors in attempt to placate the public. Why can't they just say `Look, we are broke. We will have to reduce the saize of our establishment if we are to get anywhere near the savings necessary and the public weill just have to accept the reduced service they will receive.''
  32. 2 points
    The two years , I understand, refers to being in the area where you worked. I made such an application and received a reply which stated quote " Decisions on selection for interview are based on the need for each bench to be balanced in terms of age, gender, occupation and residence within an area. I regret to inform you that you are not among those selected for interview. The only item going against me would have been the occupation. Perhaps they failed to appreciate that checking many files, if the evidence was not sufficient then I would mark the file as "No Further Action" irrespective of the defendant. Perhaps it was that I was a White heterosexual Married man, father of three with experience of the Justice System. Now if they wanted a balance across the population they would not have had many Police Officers applying and I know of No Ex Police Officer sitting as a Magistrate anywhere in the Cheshire Lieutenancy. I was informed by an already appointed J.P. that it helps to have a serving J.P. sponsor you, which he and three other would have done. I am wondering if that is an old boys network. You can always apply and see if the mood has changed in the Lieutenancy area where you are.
  33. 2 points
    If you look at it from a military angle, who runs the Regiment the C.O. or the RSM. The ones who come through University usually does 6 months at Sandhurst and come out as a rather incompetent Rupert, whereas the one without that educational background does 2 years and comes out, mainly as a competent junior officer. Education is not everything, knowledge does not necessarily bring experience.
  34. 2 points
    I don't think that anyone can answer that. I am thankful that the many harrowing things I experienced have had no great effect on me - or rather I don't believe they had. I don't know why that is though. You I had colleagues not so fortunate who went wibble sometimes many years later. Not trying to worry you, just saying some are fortunate while others are not. You should have some sort of assistance through your occupational health department and if you are thinking about this in a day or two I strongly recommend making contact with them. The worst thing you can do is take the macho 'I'm a cop, it's what I'm paid to deal with.' attitude. A former colleague of mine, ex Royal Marine, loud, brash, dealt with anything and laughed it off type went missing about six months after he retired. Turned out he wasn't as capable of dealing with all that stuff as everyone thought. Happy ending but he came back to some psychological treatment to see him through that maybe he should have had years before. Good luck.
  35. 2 points
    I agree, it is pour Intel and briefing at fault. However it is Q9 who us going to have to live with the fact that he took a life. What will that fact have on him, and his family.
  36. 2 points
    In my old force ,if you passed everything you could be independent at 7 months service.A scary thought ! Be prepared to be endlessly messed about having shifts changed at short notice.The first two years I would agrue you should put your career first, knock your nuts off and get a good reputation. Enjoy the first 6 months but learn as much law as you can ( I wish I had). Good luck.I echo the above post re PSD the only department which has grown year on year.
  37. 2 points
    @Ygnharad The two founders of Police.Community created a new company along with myself and we called it RAW Digital Media. This was to enable us to acquire the three forums PoliceSpecials.com, UKPoliceonline.co.uk and PoliceUK.com. Basically it's the same two original people with the addition of a third person, me. We all are or have been serving officers in UK police forces all in different capacities and of different ranks. Between us we have decades of experience in IT and of running online forums.
  38. 2 points
    The government seems to use an increase in penalties as a cheap way of dealing with the core problem as opposed to putting money into enforcement in the first place. I have got two problems with the idea. First, hardly anyone currently gets more than 5 years for dangerous driving under the current sentencing guidelines so the proposal is only going to affect a minuscule number of offenders, so the headlines it grabs are completely out of proportion to the number of people it will affect. I think that a more effective strategy would be to look at current sentencing guidelines and see if these can be changed to allow longer prison sentences within the current 14 year max, then wait and see what the more serious incidents merit. The Tories have however increased penalties for hand held mobile phone use but without increasing resources for enforcement, which is a cheap way of looking tough without actually spending any money. The sum total will be a decreasing number of people being hit with higher penalties without acting as a deterrent to the majority who seem to think its OK to use phones in the car. They have also moved away from education (mobile phone awareness classes for offenders) to increased penalties. There seems to be evidence that the number of RTCs and deaths and injuries on the roads is creeping up which seems to have coincided with the decimation of RPU units and the reduction in time for response to deal with driving offences. The governments solution is to increase penalties, but the presence of police on the road acts as a deterrent to bad practice which seems to be ignored by HMG.
  39. 2 points
    OK, I guess I got the wrong end of the stick with this story then. I thought the issues with what he said were that he used the word 'poof' to describe the paedophile who abused these young boys, and that he suggested that had it happened to him, when he had grown up, he'd have hunted down the person who had abused him, and done him some harm - rather than tell people what had happened to him. In that way, he was suggesting that darts-players were more men than footballers. Because this sort of thing is all about being manly...................no, wait......... 'Poof', to my way of thinking, is a generational word, I don't know anybody under 40 who would use that word. Not publicly anyway. I don't even know whether it's the sort of word that is used ironically within the gay community, like the N word is used between some black people. I wouldn't begin to even think about asking somebody for fear of offending them........but to be fair, my understanding is that it's offensive to gay people, so that pretty much is all I need to know. I find the subjects of race, sexism, homophobia et al, to all be ones which are (generally) just best not commented on in case I inadvertently say something that upsets somebody, somewhere. That sort of stuff can be career-limiting and job-losing. SO best not mentioned. And that sort of attitude, doesn't help progress anything, but it's that sort of attitude that has been created by those who are possibly as intolerant as those who would have those sort of negative attitudes in the first place. Don't ban me from saying something, discuss with me, debate and educate me. Or just point at me and call me a name. Because one is easier than the others. I'd say that stopping people using certain words hasn't done much to promote equality. What it's done is enabled a veneer of "we don't tolerate that sort of behaviour", over how people act publicly. People still harbor prejudices, just nowadays they know better than to publicise them, or speak them in the workplace. I think we still work in a society where you're allowed to have personal opinions on anything, as long as those personal opinions don't affect how you deal with people you might have an opinion about. Twitter allows people to do all sorts of things, including display gaps in a person's education, level of intelligance, or tolerance of others. Hang on. There's a knock at the door.........oh it's Professional Standards..........they want to interview me about being a sexist, racist, homophobic bigot...........I'm honestly not, but there is always somebody waiting in the wings to be offended.
  40. 2 points
    If M.P.'s vote against in Parliament and force a General Election then, the party who support Brexit will obtain an overwhelming majority. It will be a very foolish M.P. who betrays his electorate. As the North which is predominantly Labour voted overwhelmingly to leave it could see the complete demise of the ultra left Labour party. The sooner that the High Court come out with a final decision the better, then the country can get on with it. So far the mutterings coming out of the EU Commission seem very much threatening, and bullying showing up their true identity.
  41. 2 points
    I am well-aware of the academic theory but, like all theories, whilst it may have its champions and adherents, there are others - perhaps like me - who say that there can be exceptions to all theories. the advantage that the academics have is that they invariabley have a depth of research (I don't say "knowledge" because sometimes they are in possession of few hard facts that we might expect). I am fortunate to have worked closely with a lot of academics - some are good, some are bad and some, frankly, very indifferent. The one thing they have in common is that they will invariably support each other and, unless there's the chance of a major accolade, will rarely challenge each other (although challenging is more likely to happen in the physical sciences). I take your point about age and susceptibility to unconscious bias (and new-borns' lack of it but, if you accept the theory of "original sin", you could not be quite so certain about that) But I reiterate my view that my bias are all conscious - and I stick by it. As you don't know me, you only have theory to support your view. Maybe we should leave it there?
  42. 2 points
    You could apply to any opinion and viewpoint held by anyone and it applies euqlly to those who favour unfettered immigration. Like OAH, any bias I hold is certainly of the concious variety and if I also have an unconcious bias it is really subordinate to the conscious one and is therefore of such a similar nature to the extent that it doesn't really matter.
  43. 2 points
    Yes... Whereas before there was no case at all and we should just let it drop.... But now there is! ...But if we win then things will be worse than they are now...... Perhaps the Fed should tell those Judges- They are probably blissfully unaware of the pitfall they are about to walk into and need expert legal advice... Ok. I'm going to stop being sarcastic now... This has always been morally and legally wrong. People entered into pension agreements-Individually paid hundreds of thousands of pounds into them, then had the rules changed retrospectively. In order to do that the law was changed- Generally when that happens it doesn't act retrospectively in any case. Aside from that people were discriminated against. Reform is reform not retroform. I am tired of being fed manure and being told it's apple pie. Enough people spit it out and eventually someone owns up to it being manure but tells us we should feel fortunate enough to eat it. Well not me - I call BU775#1T.
  44. 2 points
    Given the parlous state of many EU countries I consider remaining within the failing, corrupt and inept EU would also be a gamble and my perception of the issue was that we would be better out of the EU. It appears a significant chunk of the electorate thought likewise. I have no doubt, once the dust has settled and we leave the EU, that there will be those who complain they did not get exactly what they voted for. It is relatively rare in life that we get everything that politicians, employers, relatives etc. promise us. To think otherwise would be naive. We didn't get everything we wanted at the end of WW11 and I have never known a government to be elected in this (and probably any other country) who delivered on everything they promised the electorate while campaigning for office. You can't please all of the people all of the time.
  45. 2 points
    No more free Lego with the DM - thank god for that! I can now get my copy at the newsagent down the road, instead of dragging into town to get it, and the crap toy, from Smiths. Tough luck grandkids, you can buy your own toys.
  46. 2 points
    Officer safety, I cannot see that it is wrong, much better than taking them down and totally imobilising them or even using CS both of which are very definitely legal.
  47. 2 points
    Last time the story was prominent a human rights group said that the police already had enough tools to deal with spitting without using spit hoods. I'm still wondering what they meant exactly because I don't think a stern shout of 'don't spit at me', the application of handcuffs or even a swift tap with an ASP will do much to stop a vile cretin who is intent on degrading me with their disgusting behaviour.
  48. 2 points
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37938056 The BBC headline reads "'Cruel' spit hoods used by a third of UK police forces" Apparently in the last 5 years, they've been used nearly 2,500 times. I wonder how many of those 2,500 have been charged with assault police? Now. Why doesn't the headline read "Suspects spit at police officers causing stress, anxiety for the officers and costs for the NHS and forces" As I've offered before - I'll stand in a room and all those who think the use of a spit hood is cruel can come and try and 'arrest' me. They can use the same force and powers that I have access to, and I'll do what a typical spitting suspect does. Let's see who wins the "who has the most phelgm on their face" competition after 10 minutes shall we?
  49. 2 points
    Also that the Prison staff are given respect and authority to do their jobs. Any prisoner, oops sorry client, disrespecting should have time added onto their sentence. Prisoners should obey the prison rules or suffer the loss of privileges. I would rather that they have no privileges but can gain them by behaviour and compliance.
  50. 2 points
    I didn't watch it but saw it was on. There was an announcement today that the Prison service are loosing more staff than they are able to recruit. The shortfall now stands at 1900 personel. Even if I was of working age, that is the last job I would contemplate.