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  2. Seriously, promotion. So going to a Dept that was initially set up to assist uniform is now a promotion. Well I never. Who ever uses these words are seriously deluded. Attending a six week CID course should not by any stretch of the imagination be thought as such. In our force we've now got our Collision Investigation Officers attending such courses and achieving the accreditation. Excellent and fair play to them I say, but to then try and tell me they are promoted is way too much. Or is it only considered that if they were plain clothes and sit in the CID office? Or is the two year magic period and then you no longer are a T/DC but DC? I did try CID in my youthful days. More a look see from my perspective as I didn't really know what they did. Now I do, and it's not a job that I would ever want. I can see a need for them, of course I can, but there are numerous specialist depts that require extra training and studying, there is even talk of a National Accreditation for Traffic Officers, yet if you go on them are you considered promoted? However, I can see that there are some folk on here who are sensitive over opinions, so I shall now keep em to myself.
  3. I did wonder about the 25yrs service at age 50…….. Cheese, is the expert…………so you will have 20yrs in the 1987 scheme at age 50 but 25yrs service in the police. You can't get the 2015 scheme until age 55yrs so I take it you are coming out with 20/60ths. Is this 20/60ths of your final wage at age 50yrs or when you left the 1987 scheme? I always thought the pension was based on your best wage within 3 yrs of retirement. Cheese, can you shed any light on this.
  4. I have over 20yrs in the police, I worked in the Drugs squad & proactive squads many years ago, I know what it is like. I choose to go back to Response when my daughter was born as my home life was more important than my work, thank you......…….the Chief Supt. was stating that Response officers have changed how they work (all single crewed until 9pm) but CID have not, in our Force and he is married to a DC. I never said their life was easy………...
  5. Others resentment wouldn't factor into my decision making whatsoever. I would never let other peoples thoughts effect any decisions I make. And to be honest, nobody cares these days about what hours other people do. All i'm interested in would be preserving my 1987 pension entitlement. Im planning on taking the early 25 year retirement in 5 yrs time, at age 50, and I expect I will receive.. 1987 Pension - £30k lump sum & £12k anual pension Then when i'm 55 i'd get... 2015 CARE Pension - £5k lump sum & £2k anual pension Not big figures, but I want to get out as soon as I can and look at doing other things with my life. If going part time is only going to reduce my 2015 CARE pension then i'm going to apply for it, as its minuscule amount anyway. But I need to ensure that my 1987 pension entitlement will remain unaffected.
  6. Seems to be going off topic a little. I have not known many part timers in CID as it is not conducive of it. Mind you it is not conducive for Response either but they never consider things like that when making any working legislation. I have seen very little evidence that those working full time do not have some resentment of the part time workers.
  7. My father left a CID office to voluntarily go to a rural post and promptly died aged 42. There is a lot to be said for that study OAH... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. I recall reading (a few years ago) a research report that showed that former CID officers lived much shorter lives in retirement than former uniformed officers. The conclusion was that the major step-change in the ex-CID officers' lives was the relatively placid life in retirement and, unless their former level of stress was replicated in some form of retirement activity, it could cause problems that had physical manifestations. I cannot remember where this report came from but I can well imagine that there is some truth in what it concluded. That suggests to me that HMS' comments are very near the mark.
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  10. Mark, Pairs= 50% of the work????.... I am a uniformed officer as you know... I also have the privilege of being an Inspector but I have not forgotten what being a PC or a DC or a DS is like... In my force DC's are breaking under the pressure. Stress risk assessments and mental health problems among Detectives becoming the norm. I have PCs who abandoned or were removed from the TI process on my relief and they are much happier now. You can laugh at these people, as can your C.Supt but you and likely he have no idea what they are going through-You don't understand what they actually do. I am not too proud to say..being a DC was much more work than I have now, less responsibility perhaps but very tiring. I look at these people with admiration not scorn. We have it easy by comparison and they should be applauded and saluted for what they do. If their life is so easy, get on the TI process-Go enjoy that lazy gravy train with the rest of them...I double dare you. HMS
  11. Absolutely the same where I am. Response officers taking no ownership of incidents, standard of evidential packages regularly poor as a result, and CID constantly trying to pick up the pieces. Whilst response may occasionally work overtime on scene preservation, bed watches and the like, CID officers rarely get off on time, regularly working extended hours. Double shifts and beyond are not unusual. Crime queues running into the 20's and 30's are common, with DS's having to manage teams which, between them, can be carrying 160 crimes plus. A nightmare for the officers, a waking nightmare for DS's who I know are having sleepless nights, and no sort of service for victims. The wheel has well and truly come off down our way.
  12. A promotion usually means more money but in CID it is less, as you need to buy your own clothes. More skill……..they are always in pairs so do they only do 50% of the work each. I laughed the other month, our old Chief Supt. came to briefing and then came and sat in the open plan office. Two CID officers walked in carrying an exhibit each……….as quick as flash, the Chief Supt. said "I am glad you did not find 3 exhibits or there would be three of you in the office". We all laughed and CID officers never said a word…………….that was funny
  13. Yes it was. Having worked intervention and CID for many years in multiple roles I know where the stress and pressure is highest. I will no doubt at some point go back to a DI spot again but I'll do it with a wince as part of my career development plan. It wont be for pleasure. HMS
  14. it would be perfect for me..... 6 on 4 off, no crime list and come on and hit the streets knowing someone is going to do your investigation for you...... that would be brilliant. I am currently working between 15-20 crimes on my list at the moment and expected to attend jobs on the active que...... it is difficult to balance but usually we are told to drop everything and attend, so crimes on list wait for another day, week or month......
  15. The interviewer noted the "strong smell" of alcohol from the man in his late 40s. A thirsty motorist who turned up for an IT job with Greater Manchester Police ended up getting arrested and losing his licence. Andrew Jackson, 48, attended GMP Sedgely Park in Sedgely Park Road, Manchester, hoping to land an IT management position only to end up in court. Two senior GMP members of staff were holding the interviews and described the “overwhelming” smell of alcohol as soon as he opened his mouth. The interviewer said: “I asked if he had any trouble in finding us, as soon as he began to speak I could smell something on his breath which I was thought was stale alcohol. “He mentioned that he did have a little trouble in finding somewhere to park, which immediately raised concerns. “Shortly after he arrived in the small office, the smell of alcohol became overpowering. “I decided to continue with the interview, which lasted for about an hour, but throughout the whole time I was sure that the candidate smelt strongly of drink and was considering what to do next. “I didn’t want the man returning to his vehicle, given the obvious smell of alcohol. I couldn’t live with myself if there had been a collision and someone ended up seriously hurt.” A traffic officer was sent for who asked the interviewee if he had been drinking, to which the man said he and his wife had shared a bottle of wine with dinner the night before. The man was subsequently breathalysed showing him to be over the drink drive limit, he was then taken to Bury Police station where he was tested again to confirm the reading and charged with drink driving. On February 10, 2017, at Bury and Rochdale magistrates court Jackson pleaded guilty to being in control of a vehicle while over the legal drink driving limit. He was disqualified from driving for one year and fined £235. His driving ban will be reduced to seven months if he successfully completes a drink driving awareness course within a given time. Inspector Tony Allt, of GMP’s Roads Policing Unit, said: “Although the circumstances surrounding this particular incident are unusual, this case highlights the fact that there are a number of motorists who think they are fine to drive after drinking the night before. “There are a number of factors that can determine how alcohol is absorbed and processed in the body, but for the individual in this case to give a reading of 46 micrograms, remembering that the legal limit is 35, clearly shows that a significant amount of drink must have been consumed the previous evening. “If in doubt of your alcohol level, seek alternative travel arrangements. Never drive while over the limit and risk losing your licence, livelihood or possibly your or someone else’s life. Always make it none for the road.” View on Police Oracle
  16. I presume that's directed at Archermav? As a career tec, you're preaching to the converted with me.
  17. Yes I agree entirely. You can have bigger response teams, but more abstractions, or smaller response teams and less abstractions. Whichever produces the most (effective) cop hours on the streets. Ours isn't perfect by any means.
  18. Different forces utilise different models and different distributions of workload and staff. However as much as you want to complicate it, it comes down to how big is your piece of toast and how much butter do you have? If you have insufficient you just don't cover the toast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  19. So when they are studying and training to gain that nationally recognised qualification, do you not see them gaining or achieving anything? When they are investigating serious crimes do you not perceive any extra responsibility? I can understand a bit of banter but why mock and run down someone else's achievements after they've worked hard to obtain them? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  20. Thats interesting. We have squads but as response cops we carry about 10 crimes at any one time and deal with day to day prisoners ourselves. But the squads do take a lot of work off our load, without which we couldn't function. But your system seems even better. Lets hope my force adopts it soon.
  21. Their words, not mine. Actually they also used the word 'promotion ' too. However there are still the odd few people who won't accept that going into the Dept is actually a promotion, so I didn't use it.
  22. Are they? Well they don't seem suffering breakdowns where I work. No-one wants to come off it to do other things as they all claim (to me at least) that they like the life. No carry over of jobs and a fresh start every day. They seem to like the shift pattern as well. What's not to like about the whole thing. No-one wants to join CID any more, far too much hassle. CID seem to be the ones suffering stress from workloads. The response teams simply don't have a workload. I used to see it in the weekly performance figures, they don't carry any crimes at all. If they did then questions would be asked as to why they are. It's one of the few times in my service that response policing has not been bottom of the heap.
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  24. It's been being said for years. 15 or so years ago as a lowly DS I was visited by an ACC from another force who was part of the ACPO reducing bureaucracy team, or some such name. Never saw anything come out of that. Then Ronnie Flanagan report that was going to free us up, anyone give any examples of the benefits of that? So forgive my cynicism but I'm not holding my breath on this one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  25. Well if that gets rid of some of the grumpy obstructive custody sgts we have to face then I'll be happy with that.
  26. Other officers have told me it had an impact on them.... basically you will find your retirement date get further away or your benefits reduce.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  27. I am referring to squad, as CID, we don't have any other squads like Cheese was stating...... their response officers come on duty with no paperwork in their tray and ready to hit the streets.....How can a force afford that number of people. I thought austerity had stripped forces bare.
  28. Forgive me but these squads have stripped the streets of response. The Response teams are all overdue nervous breakdowns All the time the public are being betrayed and the criminals are having a good laugh at ineffectiveness.
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