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  2. Hmm, Tony Blair and Alister Campbell were cleared over the War in Iraq. You have your opinion and I have mine, they differ.
  3. Totally agree with regard to references. Few people provide the name of someone as a referee without having first consulted them and ascertained that they will provide comments of a favourable nature. I have only heard of one instance of a referee failing to support the candidate. In my old force we always did unannounced home visits on candidates but I am informed this is no longer the case. There is little doubt in my mind that this aspect of enquiring into the background of candidates had deteriorated.
  4. An attack of this type was almost inevitable and, sadly, I suspect we shall see more. The lone wolf type of terrorist is probably the most difficult to deter. I am sure all our thoughts are with those who perished or were affected in any way by this incident and particularly the family of the deceased officer.
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  6. I've stuck rigidly to the topic until doing you the courtesy of answering a direct question. Constantly claiming any disagreement with your posts is an attack on the poster really doesn't take us anywhere. Anyway you have provided further evidence of where you gather your information to base your opinion of Ms Dick. It may not be at NARPO meetings but is at other social events. This still provides no indication that your opinion on the new Commissioner has any validity compared with the official scrutiny she has been subjected to. As I said we can all make up our own minds on the evidence available.
  7. We disagree, full stop.
  8. How can officers in the Met get better leadership than they had (sic) in the future? However they do deserve better leadership, which is why Cressida Dick is a good choice.
  9. And if the source is wrong, as it was in this case?
  10. You are adding 2 + 2 and making 5, as usual. Stick to the topic and stop attacking the posted ad hominin. I discuss with serving officers and ex colleagues and other ex officers at many social events. Officers in the Met deserve better leadership than they had in the past, present and future.
  11. You often tell us about your 30 years police experience, your membership of two NARPO groups and that you discuss policing issues with former colleagues. I'm just joining the dots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. Yesterday
  13. I am entitled to my opinion and stand by tCommissioner . As foir Reasonableman and Cheese, what has a NARPO meeting got to do with this? Also for Doolydog, I would put my record to stand against yours any day of the week. I assume that you are unbiased in any way being Met.but you are welcome to your new Commisioner
  14. And, as one family we all feel it. You go to work never knowing what is going to happen. RIP.
  15. You are correct, the tactics did change – Sir John Stevens was the one who initiated the change of tactics (I know this because some colleagues and I attended a lecture he was giving just after he retired). Prior to the change of tactics, the shot was to stop the threat, not to specifically kill. This meant firing at the largest area, i.e. the body. In response to terrorism and the possibility of a terrorist using a minor movement, i.e. a finger on a trigger, the tactics changed to shoot for a part of the body that would most likely prevent this. However, the law still remains and it is the firearms officer who makes the final decision whether or not to fire a shot. At the time I heard accounts from witnesses that the firearms officers involved really did feel that they themselves were about to die.
  16. To be fair I think it was two NARPO meetings.
  17. Ms Dick's decision making in the de Menezes case was subject to the utmost scrutiny by several bodies tasked to do so. Including the (allegedly 'let's get the police at all costs' IPCC). At every turn she was found blameless. Her decision making in that case is used as a case study of good practice in the leadership courses delivered by the College of Policing. Now there may be a conspiracy by all bodies involved to protect Ms Dick at all cost. And we have Zulu's view from what he read in the papers and what he has discussed with ex colleagues at a NARPO meeting. We have to make up our own minds about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  18. I believe that under such circumstances, an operation kratos scenario, then the command can be given to shoot , limited to terrorist type operations where the subject is taken out, on order, with no warning given to the subject...this is the training we were given in the early 2000,s google,op kratos, it's in the public domaine
  19. I suspect Zulu that you are not, or have never been, a police officer. From what you write, you certainly seem to have very little idea of major incident command or terrorism operations. You also seem to have a very limited knowledge of use of force or individual officer justification, discretion and responsibilities.
  20. Update from BBC police officer has now passed away
  21. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39355940 Media captionMoment area around Houses of Parliament evacuated A woman has died on Westminster Bridge in central London in what police are treating as a terrorist incident. A police officer was also stabbed in the nearby Houses of Parliament by an attacker, who was shot by police. Several pedestrians were struck by a car on the bridge, before it crashed into railings. Police said there were "a number of casualties... including police officers" and a "full counter-terrorism inquiry" was under way. Prime Minister Theresa May is to chair a meeting of the government's emergency Cobra committee later. Met Police Commander BJ Harrington said he was unable to confirm details of casualties. Speaking outside Scotland Yard he urged the public to stay away from the area around Westminster to allow emergency services access. London Ambulance said it had treated at least 10 people on Westminster Bridge. Live coverage Eyewitness accounts How the news broke Video: Aftermath on the bridge 'Terror incident': In pictures Junior doctor Colleen Anderson from St Thomas' Hospital confirmed the death of the woman and said a number of other people were hurt - some with "catastrophic" injuries. She said she also treated a police officer in his 30s with a head injury, who had been taken to King's College Hospital. She said the woman had died at the scene. "There were people across the bridge. There were some with minor injuries, some catastrophic," she added. "Some had injuries they could walk away from or who have life-changing injuries. There were maybe a dozen [injured]." Image copyrightPA MPs said they had heard three or four gunshots and staff inside Parliament were told to stay inside their offices. Commons Leader David Lidington told MPs the "alleged assailant was shot by armed police". Shortly after the incident, a Downing Street source confirmed that Mrs May was safe. The prime minister was seen being ushered into a silver Jaguar car as what sounded like gunfire rang out at Parliament during the incident. Parliament was put into lockdown shortly after the attack at 14:40 GMT. Tom Peck, political editor for the Independent, tweeted: "There was a loud bang. Screams. Commotion. Then the sound of gunshots. Armed police everywhere." Media captionSteve Voake, eyewitness: "I tried to stop people coming on to the bridge" Press Association political editor Andrew Woodcock witnessed the scenes unfolding from his office window overlooking New Palace Yard. "I heard shouts and screams from outside and looked out, and there was a group of maybe 40 or 50 people running round the corner from Bridge Street into Parliament Square. "They appeared to be running away from something. "As the group arrived at the Carriage Gates, where policemen are posted at the security entrance, a man suddenly ran out of the crowd and into the yard. "He seemed to be holding up a long kitchen knife. "I heard what sounded like shots - I think about three of them - and then the next thing I knew there were two people lying on the ground and others running to help them. "Armed police were quickly on the scene and I heard them shouting to people to get out of the yard." 'Mowed down' In eye witness, Radoslaw Sikorski, a senior fellow at Harvard's Centre for European Studies, posted a video to Twitter showing people lying injured in the road on Westminster Bridge. Image copyrightALISON BASKERVILLE Image captionParliament went into lockdown after the attack Image copyrightAP Image copyrightAP He wrote: "A car on Westminster Bridge has just mowed down at least 5 people." Scotland Yard said it was called to a firearms incident on the bridge amid reports of several people injured. Transport for London said Westminster underground station has been shut at the police's request, and buses diverted. Media captionAerial views of Houses of Parliament Mr Lidington said: "It seems that a police officer has been stabbed, that the alleged assailant was shot by armed police. "An air ambulance is currently attending the scene to remove the casualties. "There are also reports of further violent incidents in the vicinity of the Palace of Westminster but I hope colleagues on all sides will appreciate that it'd be wrong of me to go into further details until we have confirmation from the police and from the House security authorities about what is going on."
  22. If I tell you a person is a threat to everyone and I am thought to be a credible source, and you respond to that threat...... Am I to blame or you?
  23. As I have already said, sorry but I do not agree. She has blood on her hands and is a bad choice.
  24. I would intervene to prevent anyone from being assaulted, having assessed the risk (I don't think I would take on a dozen Hells Angels armed with knives and chains). That's being a good citizen IMO. I did exactly that as a 17 year old and used it as an example in my interview for the job. Three lads were picking on a black guy in a racist attack because he had white girlfriend, I saved the black guy from a beating as the bullies didn't think 3 v 2 was good enough odds for them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  25. The decision would have been a good one if the information that she had been provided was true. She did not have command during that part of the surveillance phase and did what she had to do to protect the wider public. Yes it was terrible DeMenezes died, but when you pull that whole thing apart Cressida Dick was not to blame. She had the gumption to make a tough call and telling them to stop the target by any means necessary was what needed to be done in light of what they thought was unfolding. It was a horrific mistake but the mistake made was not hers.
  26. We certainly lose our police powers and professional responsibilities when we retire and that that provides us with more of a choice about what to do if we witness a crime taking place. Again, it all depends on the circumstances. I was not long retired when I witnessed a couple of youths selling drugs to teenagers in a car park and, in all the prevailing circumstances, i chose to do nothing other than pass on information to the local police. However, I did intervene on an occasion when I witnessed a man knocking the living daylights out of a young woman and consider I took the correct action. Would you go to the assistance of a police officer who was being assaulted or pass by in the other side?
  27. Good point and I should say that when I was recounting the tale of the officer who was disciplined for not intervening in the pub fight, which I mentioned in my previous post, to a former colleague he reminded me that the officer concerned was also `done' for drinking in uniform, despite being off duty. The officer concerned was minus his police headgear and tunic and although he had a `civvy' jacket over his police shirt it was still visible and was wearing uniform trousers and police boots and was still recognisable as a police officer wearing part uniform to the extent that senior officers considered him to be `in uniform.' I suspect that had he intervened in the fight or 'phoned for assistance this aspect of the matter might have been overlooked but in all the circumstances he was also proceeded against for the drinking in uniform offence. I wonder how many officers have turned a blind eye to incidents due to them having consumed alcohol.
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